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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Subscriptions

  • Pay to Play (Adobe CC for example)

    Votes: 13 17.3%

  • Perpetual (Yearly update fees)

    Votes: 12 16.0%

  • Buy It Own It (free updates)

    Votes: 45 60.0%

  • I prefer Open Source software

    Votes: 5 6.7%
  • Total voters
    75
Not having to manually type in a 47 character serial number read off of a slip of paper once a year for upgrades is worth going subscription.
 
DJ Meyer said:
Not having to manually type in a 47 character serial number read off of a slip of paper once a year for upgrades is worth going subscription.
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I’d rather take the 10 seconds to enter a serial number than the constant mining that these application managers do. Adobe is the worst but Avid was getting bad to with their AppMan. Their new one seems better but still, there tends to be some bloatware associated with these processes.

Can everyone do me a favor and check to see what resources are being used both during use of these apps and when no programs are being run? In theory, nothing should be running in background when you have no apps going but many people have demonstrated this isn’t the case. Also they use things like machine learning and content learning AI to gather information. If you are okay with that, no big deal. if not, make sure to check what your settings are currently set to.
 
Steve Sherrick said:
I’d rather take the 10 seconds to enter a serial number than the constant mining that these application managers do. Adobe is the worst but Avid was getting bad to with their AppMan. Their new one seems better but still, there tends to be some bloatware associated with these processes.

Can everyone do me a favor and check to see what resources are being used both during use of these apps and when no programs are being run? In theory, nothing should be running in background when you have no apps going but many people have demonstrated this isn’t the case. Also they use things like machine learning and content learning AI to gather information. If you are okay with that, no big deal. if not, make sure to check what your settings are currently set to.
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I just checked mine. Both the Adobe and Autodesk update services (windows) combine for 0% CPU usage. If you sit and watch it long enough it will spike to .1% usage for a second.
 
DJ Meyer said:
I just checked mine. Both the Adobe and Autodesk update services (windows) combine for 0% CPU usage. If you sit and watch it long enough it will spike to .1% usage for a second.
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That won't show you all the background processes and data mining.

For example when a popular software maker attempts to access to your webcam, records your keyboard input and sends data to the mothership.
Welcome to the Brave New World.


Though one can always choose to imagine that corps shovel billions from community on a pile by altruistic focus on catering creative expression.
 
Im intrested in switching out photoshop and illustraitor with affinitys programs. But after effect I would miss. Perhaps i keep that on subscription.
 
I don't have an issue with Adobe's subscription model. It makes the costs more predictable than paying $2400 every couple of years, and it means I get updates - like support for new cameras and codecs - much quicker.

What I do have an issue with is that Premiere constantly hangs and crashes, constantly has "low level exception" errors and just seems to get worse the more pointless features (hey there rectified waveforms and whatever the fuck that morph cut BS was) they add.

I would commit to Adobe for life if the next update's changelog was one line: "made it way more stable." But that won't happen.

But until Resolve's editing UI stops being the single most annoying thing I've ever used... I'll stick with Premiere.
 
DJ Meyer said:
How did I check it?
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Most secure is to disconnect from the internet.

We use, next to our central hardware firewall a software firewall on every computer, that blocks all data mining travel (from microsoft and all the others).
 
Misha Engel said:
Most secure is to disconnect from the internet.

We use, next to our central hardware firewall a software firewall on every computer, that blocks all data mining travel (from microsoft and all the others).
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I was asking Hrvoje how he knew with such certainty what my reply to Steve did or did not include. It was a rhetorical question really because it is impossible for him to know. Just thought it was funny. Can’t help myself sometimes.
 
DJ Meyer said:
I was asking Hrvoje how he knew with such certainty what my reply to Steve did or did not include. It was a rhetorical question really because it is impossible for him to know. Just thought it was funny. Can’t help myself sometimes.
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I misunderstood your question.
 
I don’t have an issue with the subscription model specifically, but I think Adobe does it wrong. They price it to reel in new subscribers while giving long-term customers the shaft. Same tactics used by the telecom and cable industry. They don’t fix long-known bugs and have failed to make good on most all their claims to justify moving to the subscription model. We were promised better support, more frequent updates, better and more frequent bug fixes, etc... NONE of that has come to pass. In fact, they’re more complacent now than ever on those issues and to add further insult to injury, we’re now locked in to paying full upgrade price on exact one year intervals rather than when they finally release a significant annual or 1.5 year update. If we stop paying our tools stop working other than to open and view existing work. Adobe has become the biggest bag of dicks in the software industry... Well, next to Autodesk...

That said, using Adobe software is like a necessary evil. Sure, there are plenty of alternatives, but Illustrator, Photoshop, Acrobat, etc.. have become ubiquitous to the point where any real media or content creation company can’t live without this software.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
We were promised better support, more frequent updates, better and more frequent bug fixes, etc... NONE of that has come to pass. In fact, they’re more complacent now than ever on those issues and to add further insult to injury, we’re now locked in to paying full upgrade price on exact one year intervals rather than when they finally release a significant annual or 1.5 year update.
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Thou shall pay full upgrade price exactly when we say or else.


Jeff Kilgroe said:
If we stop paying our tools stop working
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Freedom 2.0


"You'll learn to love it."
(We'll teach you)


Version ** comes with mandatory blood & urin test and anal probe on 5G.
You are free. Repeat. Now smile and sing "I am free". Now sing it again. Again. That's it. Good.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Sure, there are plenty of alternatives, but Illustrator, Photoshop, Acrobat, etc.. have become ubiquitous to the point where any real media or content creation company can’t live without this software.
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Says who? ;-) I do without those just fine. I probably will never use them. Sure, they have niche uses, but Photoshop, for example, is redundant for most photographers. Most photographers use it, sure, but it's not truly useful - I suspect that people just like signalling that they use it. I have a RAW converter and that's plenty. Acrobat? What for? I use PDFs every single day but I don't use Acrobat. Illustrator? I guess I'm not a graphic designer.

Going further: Word? I use Pages and Text Edit. Excel? I'm not a finance professional. PowerPoint? Keynote is free.

Resolve? I should be using it, even though iMovie serves me just fine. It really could be an advantage to get some experience with Resolve. And if Resolve gets 2D photo retouching tools built into it, bye-bye Adobe.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
I don’t have an issue with the subscription model specifically, but I think Adobe does it wrong. They price it to reel in new subscribers while giving long-term customers the shaft. Same tactics used by the telecom and cable industry. They don’t fix long-known bugs and have failed to make good on most all their claims to justify moving to the subscription model. We were promised better support, more frequent updates, better and more frequent bug fixes, etc... NONE of that has come to pass. In fact, they’re more complacent now than ever on those issues and to add further insult to injury, we’re now locked in to paying full upgrade price on exact one year intervals rather than when they finally release a significant annual or 1.5 year update. If we stop paying our tools stop working other than to open and view existing work. Adobe has become the biggest bag of dicks in the software industry... Well, next to Autodesk...

That said, using Adobe software is like a necessary evil. Sure, there are plenty of alternatives, but Illustrator, Photoshop, Acrobat, etc.. have become ubiquitous to the point where any real media or content creation company can’t live without this software.
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It seems you might have a problem with it. You have identified exactly what is wrong with the subscription model as done by Adobe. There is no incentive for them to improve. If you had a perpetual license and a choice to pay for an upgrade OR NOT, they would have to strive to make that upgrade useful to you. Now they can just sit on their asses and dole out whatever slop they want.

I’m working on a project with PP now and I’m shocked at how little is has improved in the couple of years since I switched to Resolve given the enormous amounts of money they are hauling in with subscriptions.

One thing I don’t understand, since all subscribers get everything and there is no need to support old versions or have backward compatibility, Adobe is in a unique position to dead end this version and start from scratch with a whole new build. Why haven’t they? Or when will they?

Instead of demeaning their current subscribers with half-price offers to new subs, why not get to work and create the next great editing suite and dazzle the shit out of everyone? Because they don’t have to...
 
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