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Storage for RED files/backup

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Jason Burkhimer

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We are considering a RED ONE purchase for a project starting in October. Here in Virginia, we will be be documenting the construction of a bridge that will span from mid Oct 2010 until approx Jan of 2012. The company that we are shooting for designs and builds really beautiful and unique bridges, and has had previous projects featured on NatGeo, so were really excited about the project. But, I dont even know if we put in an order now, if we would be able to receive the cam before the start date(emailed RED but haven't heard back).

My question is, if we purchased a RED ONE MX, and were to shoot approx 10 hours a week, how much storage would I need for the original 2k raw files? What is that, 600 hours for 15 months? I would be keeping the original files, but I would be also making 1080p downrezzed versions for delivery/dailies each week.

So if anybody has any insight and can offer advice, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much.

-burk
 
Hi, Jason.

I think the main problem you will face by now is that, for today, RED only provides 16GB CF cards to record to. Someone correct me, please, but, at 2K, that's 15 minutes of footage per card, aprox. If you are OK with that, no problem. Anyway, Jarred anounced they have the intention to provide the SSD option by October, so if you can wait, that's the future media RED is going for, as it seems.

For storage, we've always used G-Raids, which are truly reliable and rocksolid. The amount of TB you will need for all that footage I can't tell you now, but I know there are apps (like "iSee4K" for the iPhone) that can help you calculate the amount of space you are gonna to require.

Hope this helps!
 
Jordi Figueras said:
Hi, Jason.

I think the main problem you will face by now is that, for today, RED only provides 16GB CF cards to record to. Someone correct me, please, but, at 2K, that's 15 minutes of footage per card, aprox. If you are OK with that, no problem. Anyway, Jarred anounced they have the intention to provide the SSD option by October, so if you can wait, that's the future media RED is going for, as it seems.

For storage, we've always used G-Raids, which are truly reliable and rocksolid. The amount of TB you will need for all that footage I can't tell you now, but I know there are apps (like "iSee4K" for the iPhone) that can help you calculate the amount of space you are gonna to require.

Hope this helps!
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Thanks for the advice!

-burk
 
For fast access buy one or two blank TB HDs and stick them in a e-sata docking station when needed. Works like a big floppy disk, but faster.

For long time storage, I think tape backup has a cheaper ratio mb per $$.

I got a e-sata docking station (about $40) that receives two HDs and can also mirror them without the need of a computer. I use that for fast backups in the field. Works like a charm.

Frank
 
Jason Burkhimer said:
We are considering a RED ONE purchase for a project starting in October. Here in Virginia, we will be be documenting the construction of a bridge that will span from mid Oct 2010 until approx Jan of 2012. The company that we are shooting for designs and builds really beautiful and unique bridges, and has had previous projects featured on NatGeo, so were really excited about the project. But, I dont even know if we put in an order now, if we would be able to receive the cam before the start date(emailed RED but haven't heard back).

My question is, if we purchased a RED ONE MX, and were to shoot approx 10 hours a week, how much storage would I need for the original 2k raw files? What is that, 600 hours for 15 months? I would be keeping the original files, but I would be also making 1080p downrezzed versions for delivery/dailies each week.

So if anybody has any insight and can offer advice, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much.

-burk
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Per the AJA DataCalc application, 600 hours of R3D @ 4K and 24fps:

REDCode 28 = 61.1 TB
REDCode 36 = 78.5 TB
REDCode 42 = 91.3 TB

This is 4K. If you shoot at 2K, the app doesn't currently list specifics for RED 2K but it looks like, generally, 2K would take up about 25-30% of the 4K figures. So, you'd be in the range of 15 to 30 TB, depending on the data rate you choose.

You're on your own to guess how much other data you'll create for the dailies and the other working files. ProRes 1080p24 is not that all that small, about 60 Gig/hour. ProRes Proxy will drop you to 20 G/hour.

Sounds like a cool project, though! :cheers2:
 
Frank Glencairn said:
I got a e-sata docking station (about $40) that receives two HDs and can also mirror them without the need of a computer. I use that for fast backups in the field. Works like a charm.

Frank
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Can you share with us the make and model, Frank? Thank you.
 
Terry VerHaar said:
Per the AJA DataCalc application, 600 hours of R3D @ 4K and 24fps:

REDCode 28 = 61.1 TB
REDCode 36 = 78.5 TB
REDCode 42 = 91.3 TB

This is 4K. If you shoot at 2K, the app doesn't currently list specifics for RED 2K but it looks like, generally, 2K would take up about 25-30% of the 4K figures. So, you'd be in the range of 15 to 30 TB, depending on the data rate you choose.

You're on your own to guess how much other data you'll create for the dailies and the other working files. ProRes 1080p24 is not that all that small, about 60 Gig/hour. ProRes Proxy will drop you to 20 G/hour.

Sounds like a cool project, though! :cheers2:
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Using isee4K, 600 hours of 2K footage shot at 23.98, 16:9 ratio using RC36, the storage size is: 16,692.33GB, or 16.70TB.
 
Thanks for all the info guys! What's the deal with this SSD? how big are they talkin about it being? End of October?
 
Shoot 4k, and downrez in post, you will never regret this! After a debayer your 2k image will be lower resolution than 1080p! Only use 2k for slow motion.
 
Definitely shoot 4K if at all possible - yes it will increase your storage needs considerably, but if you shoot 2K, you might as well shoot easily archived tape on an HD camcorder!!
 
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