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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Still changing...

Steve Gibby said:
LOL - Gibby just stepped in, but I see that Jim has already given you some excellent answers.

Yes, I do see the issue of ergonomics of a camera different than you, but then again we work in different industries most of the time. Beyond my work as an executive producer, director, editor, and scriptwriter, I've also worked professionally as a stills photographer since '69, a cinematographer since '79, and a videographer since '80. You wont find me with a profile on IMDB, because it is "Internet Movie Data Base", and I don't do movies - I do about everything else. For the curious, a simple Google search of my name will get you a ton of info on my background. I built my career long before there was an iMDB web site, I don’t do movies, and I have no problem marketing my services - thus I see no reason to submit info for an iMDB profile.

From our work together at LART you know I can shoot about anything and nail it - eye focusing as I did with the RED 300 automobile sequence, and even framing and focusing if necessary without any visual reference (no EVF or LCD) like I did on with the RED 50-150 on the fight sequence. While others are endlessly debating RED One's ergonomics and features, I'm always out there on the front lines maximizing the camera, setting it up in the most logical way to get the needed shots, and nailing them - usually with a minimal crew around me, and doing the camera functions by myself.

With RED One I shoot cine style when it is the best choice for a shot sequence, hybrid cine/EFP style when it is the best choice, and straight EFP style when the best choice - and working non-union projects in the cool genres I work in allows me that creative freedom to develop diverse skill sets.

From the very announcement of RED One I've supported the concept of modularity and scalability - because it allows the camera to be setup and used in a wider variety of genres and sub-genres - and as a worker it thus allows me to do better fiscally. I support those same concepts in Epic and Scarlet - modularity and scalability. In my opinion the guys who give RED the hardest time about ergonomics of RED One (and now Epic and Scarlet) generally fit a certain profile: strictly cine style traditionalists, who usually work union gigs. Well, you know what Matt, there are a ton of us professionals in this motion media industry who do understand and maximize modularity and scalability, see the diverse utility (and revenue generation potential) of those principles, don't do union work (by choice), and have been happily setting up and using the supposedly ergonomically deficient RED One for a long time now - over 18 months of heavy R1 use now for me.

I've set R1 up and used it in every conceivable configuration scores of times - straight cine, hybrid cine/EFP, and straight EFP. I've shot heavily with it shoulder held, hand held, on various tripods, from boats, from helicopters, in the water, from cars, in big crews, in medium crews, in small crews, and by myself. I choose the accessories and lenses (and thus ergonomics) which are best for each shot sequence - and go out and nail the shots.

I'm busy having fun with RED One on a wide variety of projects, I love the camera including its modularity, and my clients have loved the footage results - too busy to grouse around about the supposed ergonomic shortcomings of the camera, or compare it to an Arri 235, Aeton, F900, or whatever. I just turned it into what I needed - and went out and got images that me and my clients really liked.

Don't write me off as "just a sports and nature" shooter either. I've worked heavily in the music industry also (and other industries) - producing, directing, and shooting projects featuring many "name" bands. In fact, in just two weeks time I'll be in Manila, Philippines working as DP and one of the shoulder held cinematographers (using ET Mantis) for a 10 RED camera production featuring Journey in a stadium full of 40,000 fans. Skills wise that's a far cry from the National Geographic Channel nature documentary in Alaska I worked heavily on last year as an executive producer, DP, and cinematographer - which airs nationally just a few days after I return from Manila (airs 3/21 @ 8pm, title "Icy Killers").

To the guy on this thread who doesn't know of any professional DP's or cinematographers who like RED One's ergonomics - well, you know one now - me. You can add to that a huge list of my associates in this industry.

Matt – we’re friends, I respect you professionally, and respect the niche of the motion media industry you work in. But respect should be a 2-way street, and I simply get the feeling that the guys who work in your industry niche, and are based where you are (L.A.) somehow have this superiority complex toward the other motion media industry workers, and don't think we can figure out questions like camera ergonomics - which couldn't be further from the truth.

I love the modularity, scalability, and flexibility of RED One - and I'm liking those concepts even more in Epic and Scarlet.
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Do we have to write our full resumé before posting now?
 
So I'm looking at these renderings and trying to divine what each bit does as best as I can.

I assume in the minimalistic shoulder configuration that the battery will be on a belt or counter balanced behind the shoulder (but not shown). Or is there a mini-battery pack hidden in there that I'm not seeing.

Also I assume that little black UI module is also the CF Card module?

Also can I assume that the DSLR module has a battery in it?

Does the UI module have a color LCD or are you supposed to use the viewfinder? (Again thinking about a DSLR configuration)
 
Liam Hall said:
Do we have to write our full resumé before posting now?
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Yes...it's mandatory :biggrin:

Seriously, if readers of an equipment opinion have a clear understanding of the background and methodology of who's giving an opinion, then its easier for them to understand how he or she arrived at that opinion. In this case I've offered that info not out of pride or ego, but to illustrate for readers where I'm coming from, what I've used RED One for, and how I arrived at those opinions.

If this is to be a scholarly exchange of technical insight, which is the highest and best use of this forum, then basic to any scholarly exchange is understanding the background of someone making claims, and their specific real world experience with the technology in question - in this case RED One. Anyone who has read threads on RED User for any length of time knows that I don't offer opinions unless I can back them up - and my offered opinions on the ergonomics of RED One are no exception.

There are a lot of new members and lurkers here who don't have the foggiest idea who has used RED One a lot, what industries and styles they work in, and if that has bearing and application on their own situation and workflows. Thus the added info to let them know my background and to what extent I've used RED One - in the hope it may help them understand the various ways the camera can be used.

Since you've felt the need to call me out on my post, how about if you share with the forum what your background is, how long you have owned a RED One, to what extent you've used a RED One, and in what styles and genres? I'd be interested to hear that, because it would let me know a lot more about your motivation in calling me out, since I posted my info to help those interested in real world impressions of RED One ergonomics, with a lot of helpful insight, and all you could think to post in response was an apparently sarcastic comment about a resume.
 
Jim, might I suggest also adding mounting holes on the tops of the other Modules that don't currently have them? (ex. Battery module)

We have seen in the past year many innovative third party options and mounting configs.

More holes = more options.

Thanks for listening.
 
Steve Gibby said:
Since you've felt the need to call me out on my post, how about if you share with the forum what your background is, how long you have owned a RED One, to what extent you've used a RED One, and in what styles and genres? I'd be interested to hear that, because it would let me know a bit more about your motivations, since I posted my info to help those interested in real world impressions of RED One ergonomics, with a lot of helpful insight, and all you could think to post was an apparently sarcastic comment about a resume.
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Steve, I understand your point, but your signature tells me all I need to know about you and much as I enjoy your posts, I don't need to know what you had for breakfast; of course it's up to you how much detail you add, but your opinion is valued and doesn't need justifying.

If folk want to know more about me they can visit my home page, google me or look me up on Vimeo or IMDB. But just for you, I'm a director who shoots commercials, high-end corporate, music video and documentary. I was brought up on film, but for a long time I've been an owner and user of digital cameras and edit suites. I have 24 years experience in this industry.

Sometimes I shoot with a cine style crew on film or HD, sometimes I go out on my own with an HD or HDV camera over my shoulder. I shoot almost exclusively on location and have shot in over forty countries including eight war zones.

As for RED. I'm not an owner, but I've shot and tested Red. Also, one of the production companies who rep me have just received theirs and I'm advising them on kitting it out and of course, I'm looking forward to shooting with it. I'm also looking forward to Scarlet/Epic and I'll be at the front of the queue to buy a couple of brains and a bunch of accessories. The new system looks perfect for me; when I need it light and flexible for EFP, I've got it sorted and when I need it tooled up for cine-style posing I've also got it sorted too:)

Oh and for breakfast I'll be having eggs benedict and some home made muesli:)
 
Liam,

Stick with the muesli - and if you also have the eggs, skip the yolk - bad for the heart :)

Seriously, the added info helps me understand where you're coming from. That's a good solid background and IMO its good that you're combing this forum for added info on RED One, Epic, and Scarlet. This is "info central" for all things RED.

We have a lot of common ground and overlap in our work genres. Hopefully my posts will fast-track your learning curve with RED One as you approach integrating the camera into your work. RED One is packed with potential - it can be a serious revenue generation machine.

Yes, the added modularity and smaller size of Epic and Scarlet will open up many new setup combinations and field workflow scenarios. Sounds like you have a good handle on that. Fun time to be working in this industry, isn't it.

I don't see any reason for us to be at odds, and in my opinion we're not.

Have a good breakfast :)
 
Im probably opening up a can of worms here but If one was to purchace a new Brain would there be a "tradin" value the on old Brain(s) as well? or would the buyer keep the old brain? would there be a choice? Something like the RED1 tradein scheme . Maybe you could sell secondhand trade-ins at a discount with renewed warranty possibility

Jon Sagud said:
The cost of the new brains will rest on the customer, so that RED can stay in business and continue building industry leading cameras.
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as for this i cant help but see the market being flooded with secondhand cameras undercutting "off the shelf" sales for Red


p.s sorry if any particular program has already be disscussed or motioned i understand you couldnt honestly comment from your current development stand point with forth coming logistical distrubution and service although would appreciate some feedback where applicable

p.s.s Thanks for taking time-out from your (what id imagine to be) busy as heck schedule to address the influx of Some concerns + questions raised you get on a daily basis at Red ...i felt it needs to be said
keep up the Unprecedented work ...im counting on it :)

peace,
Christian
 
Steve Gibby said:
Yes...it's mandatory :biggrin:

Seriously, if readers of an equipment opinion have a clear understanding of the background and methodology of who's giving an opinion, then its easier for them to understand how he or she arrived at that opinion. In this case I've offered that info not out of pride or ego, but to illustrate for readers where I'm coming from, what I've used RED One for, and how I arrived at those opinions.

If this is to be a scholarly exchange of technical insight, which is the highest and best use of this forum, then basic to any scholarly exchange is understanding the background of someone making claims, and their specific real world experience with the technology in question - in this case RED One. Anyone who has read threads on RED User for any length of time knows that I don't offer opinions unless I can back them up - and my offered opinions on the ergonomics of RED One are no exception.

There are a lot of new members and lurkers here who don't have the foggiest idea who has used RED One a lot, what industries and styles they work in, and if that has bearing and application on their own situation and workflows. Thus the added info to let them know my background and to what extent I've used RED One - in the hope it may help them understand the various ways the camera can be used.

Since you've felt the need to call me out on my post, how about if you share with the forum what your background is, how long you have owned a RED One, to what extent you've used a RED One, and in what styles and genres? I'd be interested to hear that, because it would let me know a lot more about your motivation in calling me out, since I posted my info to help those interested in real world impressions of RED One ergonomics, with a lot of helpful insight, and all you could think to post in response was an apparently sarcastic comment about a resume.
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Now that is a message. Wow. I'm only reading it, yet strangely feel like I was being scolded. I'm glad it wasn't written to me. LOL
 
Liam Hall said:
Steve, I understand your point, but your signature tells me all I need to know about you and much as I enjoy your posts, I don't need to know what you had for breakfast; of course it's up to you how much detail you add, but your opinion is valued and doesn't need justifying.

If folk want to know more about me they can visit my home page, google me or look me up on Vimeo or IMDB. But just for you, I'm a director who shoots commercials, high-end corporate, music video and documentary. I was brought up on film, but for a long time I've been an owner and user of digital cameras and edit suites. I have 24 years experience in this industry.

Sometimes I shoot with a cine style crew on film or HD, sometimes I go out on my own with an HD or HDV camera over my shoulder. I shoot almost exclusively on location and have shot in over forty countries including eight war zones.

As for RED. I'm not an owner, but I've shot and tested Red. Also, one of the production companies who rep me have just received theirs and I'm advising them on kitting it out and of course, I'm looking forward to shooting with it. I'm also looking forward to Scarlet/Epic and I'll be at the front of the queue to buy a couple of brains and a bunch of accessories. The new system looks perfect for me; when I need it light and flexible for EFP, I've got it sorted and when I need it tooled up for cine-style posing I've also got it sorted too:)

Oh and for breakfast I'll be having eggs benedict and some home made muesli:)
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Next time I'll keep reading...before posting. Whoa. Nice retort. No more egging on from me. Night. hahaha.
 
Film Ylem,

Exchanges of info and views, brought to a mutual understanding point, are exactly the way this forum should function. :weight_lift:

No worries on this end...
 
Hey Stuart B4 option!

Hey Stuart B4 option!

No lens control for B4 lenses. But basic start / stop / replay triggers (as per R1) available on 10-pin AUX / RS232 connector on optional I/O modules.



Hey Stuart,
Thanks for the update on the B4 lens, I do have a question...does this mean I will need to purchase the $3500 B4 to PL adapter you offer for the R1 or will the Scarlet have a B4 mount option?
Secondly, the shoulder pad...can that be mounted at the bottom of the camera?
Thanks for your time,
Jim Bridges
www.typeamedia.com
 
withOm,

Developing strong opinions is a necessary ingredient to one's survival in this industry. That said, those who develop strong opinions will step up to defend them when challenged. That's natural and to be expected.

There's a diversity of backgrounds and experience levels here. That's part of the strength of RED User. A lot of us take time out of busy production schedules to post our impressions here - to help those who are just getting started using RED. That's another ingredient of the strength of RED User.

The interchange of impressions, experiences, and ideas helps everyone. That's why I visit here whenever I can find the time.
 
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