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Steven Soderberh’s State Of Cinema Talk
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Jeffery Anderson
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First off to comment of Soderbergh. I don't think his problem is the same as the independent filmmaker. From his own words he's being pitched studio projects and telling them how he would shoot them and they are turning them down. There's a huge difference in that, and being an auteur of your own design and developing a project. That's the traditional 'Indie Filmmaker'
At a certain point all these guys stop having new creative ideas and begin to work in the studio system. The effect is specific to each director, but they all fall prey to that similar design of who's my audience and what do they expect from 'my brand'...
Tarantino's fans expect a revenge flick with lots of blood and controversial innuendos. Does it matter if it well made or not, not really, it's about a brand and a DVD catalog, a collection...
James Cameron brand is the similar to the of D.W. Griffith in the past. He wants to enlighten an audience and embrace them on a grand design, part of this is the huge budget blockbuster, but mostly it's the idea that he's talking about a global conflict, instead of a personal one.
Soderbergh's brand seem'd to be an revenge flick with an ensemble cast, as he's a contemporary of Tarantino and Guy Richie. Differs from the other two, as his perception is usually that of the underling or passive character. Kaufman has a similar perspective...both have has mixed success and mostly because they don't have a real audience.
Look at Soderbergh movies like documentaries, and trying to pitch a documentary to a studio.
At a certain point all these guys stop having new creative ideas and begin to work in the studio system. The effect is specific to each director, but they all fall prey to that similar design of who's my audience and what do they expect from 'my brand'...
Tarantino's fans expect a revenge flick with lots of blood and controversial innuendos. Does it matter if it well made or not, not really, it's about a brand and a DVD catalog, a collection...
James Cameron brand is the similar to the of D.W. Griffith in the past. He wants to enlighten an audience and embrace them on a grand design, part of this is the huge budget blockbuster, but mostly it's the idea that he's talking about a global conflict, instead of a personal one.
Soderbergh's brand seem'd to be an revenge flick with an ensemble cast, as he's a contemporary of Tarantino and Guy Richie. Differs from the other two, as his perception is usually that of the underling or passive character. Kaufman has a similar perspective...both have has mixed success and mostly because they don't have a real audience.
Look at Soderbergh movies like documentaries, and trying to pitch a documentary to a studio.
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second, I don't believe these 'companies' lose money...it's more of a shill game and way to keep independent filmmakers from being able to compete. If you've studied film history, you know that at one time all the major studios own all facets of production and presentation.
Prime example is the advertising costs for a production. so it costs $70million to promote a summer blockbuster. Question would be, whom are you paying this $70million to?
Even if you're not paying another division of the parent company(which can happen), you can still own stock in both companies...this also allows you to keep someone else from advertising, say the independent filmmaker that wishes to compete with your movie.
Prime example is the advertising costs for a production. so it costs $70million to promote a summer blockbuster. Question would be, whom are you paying this $70million to?
Even if you're not paying another division of the parent company(which can happen), you can still own stock in both companies...this also allows you to keep someone else from advertising, say the independent filmmaker that wishes to compete with your movie.
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Hilarious & true. The most telling factoid in there............ China will soon be the largest cinema market in the world.
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Humberto Rivera
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Jeffery, if I can, let’s start with the “Definition” of an “Independent Filmmaker” as I DEFINED IT, other may have their own, and that’s fine with me, I’m just expressing an opinion! I see-it as a Non-Studio Film production, Distribution in MY OPINION is a completely different thing. Also you may be lucky enough to do Picture “A” as a Studio or Independent, and Picture “B” as an Independent, it’s a complex subject, but it exist nonetheless!
So let’s talk sbout Steven Soderberg, First, He may do one of his “Ocean” pictures with the Studio’s money, while he may do “Candelabra” with an independent Production Company (his or someone else’s company for Tax Purposes), that a Studio might not touch, thus HBO. Or they might not like what he pitched to them; I don’t think “CHE I & II” was a Studio Picture. So, “Anything you say in the “Movie Business” is “True”, no matter how outrageous it may be”! So that make ME RIGHT, it makes YOU RIGHT, it makes EVERYBODY RIGHT, what a wonderful world we live in, so they say!
Second, it’s not a matter of who loses money, but most of the time, the “Impended Filmmaker” WILL NOT MAKE ANY MORE MONEY that whatever he received up-front whether distributed by a Studio or ANYONE ELSE, it’s probably all he will ever get! One suggestion is be the “Copyright Holder”; he is the one that’s going to call all the shots for a long time!
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So let’s talk sbout Steven Soderberg, First, He may do one of his “Ocean” pictures with the Studio’s money, while he may do “Candelabra” with an independent Production Company (his or someone else’s company for Tax Purposes), that a Studio might not touch, thus HBO. Or they might not like what he pitched to them; I don’t think “CHE I & II” was a Studio Picture. So, “Anything you say in the “Movie Business” is “True”, no matter how outrageous it may be”! So that make ME RIGHT, it makes YOU RIGHT, it makes EVERYBODY RIGHT, what a wonderful world we live in, so they say!
Second, it’s not a matter of who loses money, but most of the time, the “Impended Filmmaker” WILL NOT MAKE ANY MORE MONEY that whatever he received up-front whether distributed by a Studio or ANYONE ELSE, it’s probably all he will ever get! One suggestion is be the “Copyright Holder”; he is the one that’s going to call all the shots for a long time!
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Jeffery Anderson
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Humberto,
I didn't read any of your posts...actually was confused as to what you're writing.
I'm just commenting on Soderbergh's speech at the 56th San Francisco International Film Festival. Him and others have made public statements, a lot of them in the movie, Side by Side, about how distribution/creation of budgets are made.
There's no such thing as studio money. Studios simply distribute movies. They take a fee for packaging a movie, which includes advertising.
HBO is not a distributor, it's a presentation platform, similar to Theatre chain. I assume why they were chosen, was partly because they don't have advertisers like, network TV, nor do they have the MPAA...which have been critical of sexuality, when it's homosexuality. Probably hard to admit that Matt Damon, Michael Douglas and Soderbergh, equal a made for TV movie.
Movies live and die my producers, they are single most important element the a successful movie. They hire the right people, get them to work, hired the crews, pay the crews...they can set you up to win; or producers can set you up to fail.
I didn't read any of your posts...actually was confused as to what you're writing.
I'm just commenting on Soderbergh's speech at the 56th San Francisco International Film Festival. Him and others have made public statements, a lot of them in the movie, Side by Side, about how distribution/creation of budgets are made.
There's no such thing as studio money. Studios simply distribute movies. They take a fee for packaging a movie, which includes advertising.
HBO is not a distributor, it's a presentation platform, similar to Theatre chain. I assume why they were chosen, was partly because they don't have advertisers like, network TV, nor do they have the MPAA...which have been critical of sexuality, when it's homosexuality. Probably hard to admit that Matt Damon, Michael Douglas and Soderbergh, equal a made for TV movie.
Movies live and die my producers, they are single most important element the a successful movie. They hire the right people, get them to work, hired the crews, pay the crews...they can set you up to win; or producers can set you up to fail.
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To quote Jeffery Anderson; “Humberto, I DIDN'T READ ANY OF YOUR POSTS...actually was confused as to what you're writing. I'm just commenting on Soderbergh's speech at the 56th San Francisco International Film Festival. He and others have made public statements, a lot of them in the movie, Side by Side, about how distribution/creation of budgets is made.” Jeffery Anderson
Jeff what Steven Soderbergh SAID is what Steven Soderbergh SAID! We can only read, and enjoy, and then we can all MAKE OUR OWN OPINIONS!
Whether Studio’s Finance their own movies, THEY CERTAINLY DO, and do they also Distribute Films, ABSOLUTELY! The movie business is a business full of contradictions, look at the Current Warner Brothers fight with The Weinstein Company over “The Butlers” a short silent movies shot over 100 Years ago, that Warner acquired through the buying of various companies, that argument is ridiculous being made by Warner Brothers. So to all that I say; “Anything you say in the “Movie Business” is “True”, no matter how outrageous it may be”!
To quote Jeffery Anderson again; “Movies live and die my producers, they are single most important element the a successful movie. They hire the right people, get them to work, hired the crews, pay the crews...they can set you up to win; or producers can set you up to fail.” Jeffery Anderson
Movies live and die, by everyone involved in the Above the Line Process, that includes the Producer, Director, Actors, Writers, Composer, The Director of Photography (which always seemed incredulous to me to be below the line), The Editor, I could go on but you get my point, it’s the COMBINES EFFORT OF MANY PEOPLE!
Humberto Rivera
Jeff what Steven Soderbergh SAID is what Steven Soderbergh SAID! We can only read, and enjoy, and then we can all MAKE OUR OWN OPINIONS!
Whether Studio’s Finance their own movies, THEY CERTAINLY DO, and do they also Distribute Films, ABSOLUTELY! The movie business is a business full of contradictions, look at the Current Warner Brothers fight with The Weinstein Company over “The Butlers” a short silent movies shot over 100 Years ago, that Warner acquired through the buying of various companies, that argument is ridiculous being made by Warner Brothers. So to all that I say; “Anything you say in the “Movie Business” is “True”, no matter how outrageous it may be”!
To quote Jeffery Anderson again; “Movies live and die my producers, they are single most important element the a successful movie. They hire the right people, get them to work, hired the crews, pay the crews...they can set you up to win; or producers can set you up to fail.” Jeffery Anderson
Movies live and die, by everyone involved in the Above the Line Process, that includes the Producer, Director, Actors, Writers, Composer, The Director of Photography (which always seemed incredulous to me to be below the line), The Editor, I could go on but you get my point, it’s the COMBINES EFFORT OF MANY PEOPLE!
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I was thinking, again! What if the above the line people were those people that you generally find at the beginning of a Film; with the Actors at the beginning and the Director with the last title card just before the Picture begins? Well what if it was done that way, you would then have for example; The Director of Photography, the Composer, The Editor, Costume Designer, all well within the group. Just a thought!
This is how wikipedia defines it; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Above_the_line_(filmmaking) & the below the line people; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Below_the_line_(filmmaking)
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This is how wikipedia defines it; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Above_the_line_(filmmaking) & the below the line people; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Below_the_line_(filmmaking)
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On any given week, what does the “Top Film” and the “Looser Tent Pole Films” have in common; HOLLYWOOD ACCOUNTING! If history is any guide, and the Films are all being distributed by Hollywood Studios! Then there is high percentage that they WILL NOT MAKE ANY MONEY, at least for everyone except the Studio! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting
To Quote from Wikipedia; “Peter Jackson, director of The Lord of the Rings, and his studio Wingnut Films, brought a lawsuit against New Line Cinema after "an audit... on part of the income of The Fellowship of the Ring." Jackson stated this is regarding "CERTAIN ACCOUNTING PRACTICES," which may be a reference to HOLLYWOOD ACCOUNTING. In response, New Line stated that their rights to a film of The Hobbit were time-limited, and since Jackson would not work with them again until the suit was settled, he would not be asked to direct The Hobbit, as had been anticipated.[12] FIFTEEN ACTORS ARE SUING NEW LINE CINEMA, CLAIMING THAT THEY HAVE NEVER RECEIVED THEIR 5% OF REVENUE FROM MERCHANDISE SOLD IN RELATION TO THE MOVIE, WHICH CONTAINS THEIR LIKENESS.[13] Similarly, the Tolkien estate sued New Line, claiming that their contract entitled them to 7.5% of the gross receipts of the $6 billion hit.[14] Overall according to New Lines accounts the trilogy made "HORRENDOUS LOSSES" AND NO PROFIT AT ALL.[15]”
“According to Lucasfilm, Return of the Jedi despite having earned $475 million at the box-office against a budget of $32.5 million, "HAS NEVER GONE INTO PROFIT".[16]” Wikipedia
The List goes on, and on, the bottom line is that you might not get any more money, except for what you got-up-front! So, big or small as the “Fourth of July week-end” comes to an end, so do the expectations for any more money from the Studios. There is changes in the wind, ever so slowly but there changing, China continues on its path to become the World Largest market for Motion Picture Films Market, the Foreign Market’s already has been surpassed to the Domestic (US and Canada) to BECOME THE MARKET WHERE THE MONEY IS.
http://www.deadline.com/2013/07/despicable-me-2-opens-with-huge-4-7m-late-shows/ “‘Despicable Me 2′ Huge $200M Global Today, Expected $140M For 5-Day U.S. Holiday But Big-Budget ‘Lone Ranger’ Disastrous $47M, ‘Let Me Explain’ $17.3M; Record July 4 Wkd” By NIKKI FINKE, Editor in Chief - Saturday July 6, 2013 @ 8:28am PDT
That’s going to change things, BUT HOW, no one really knows, and the Studio Films continue with their ever expanding Production and Sales Budgets, and Box Office Flops, like “The Lone Ranger” with its $200 Million+ budget. Will they implode?
Humberto Rivera
To Quote from Wikipedia; “Peter Jackson, director of The Lord of the Rings, and his studio Wingnut Films, brought a lawsuit against New Line Cinema after "an audit... on part of the income of The Fellowship of the Ring." Jackson stated this is regarding "CERTAIN ACCOUNTING PRACTICES," which may be a reference to HOLLYWOOD ACCOUNTING. In response, New Line stated that their rights to a film of The Hobbit were time-limited, and since Jackson would not work with them again until the suit was settled, he would not be asked to direct The Hobbit, as had been anticipated.[12] FIFTEEN ACTORS ARE SUING NEW LINE CINEMA, CLAIMING THAT THEY HAVE NEVER RECEIVED THEIR 5% OF REVENUE FROM MERCHANDISE SOLD IN RELATION TO THE MOVIE, WHICH CONTAINS THEIR LIKENESS.[13] Similarly, the Tolkien estate sued New Line, claiming that their contract entitled them to 7.5% of the gross receipts of the $6 billion hit.[14] Overall according to New Lines accounts the trilogy made "HORRENDOUS LOSSES" AND NO PROFIT AT ALL.[15]”
“According to Lucasfilm, Return of the Jedi despite having earned $475 million at the box-office against a budget of $32.5 million, "HAS NEVER GONE INTO PROFIT".[16]” Wikipedia
The List goes on, and on, the bottom line is that you might not get any more money, except for what you got-up-front! So, big or small as the “Fourth of July week-end” comes to an end, so do the expectations for any more money from the Studios. There is changes in the wind, ever so slowly but there changing, China continues on its path to become the World Largest market for Motion Picture Films Market, the Foreign Market’s already has been surpassed to the Domestic (US and Canada) to BECOME THE MARKET WHERE THE MONEY IS.
http://www.deadline.com/2013/07/despicable-me-2-opens-with-huge-4-7m-late-shows/ “‘Despicable Me 2′ Huge $200M Global Today, Expected $140M For 5-Day U.S. Holiday But Big-Budget ‘Lone Ranger’ Disastrous $47M, ‘Let Me Explain’ $17.3M; Record July 4 Wkd” By NIKKI FINKE, Editor in Chief - Saturday July 6, 2013 @ 8:28am PDT
That’s going to change things, BUT HOW, no one really knows, and the Studio Films continue with their ever expanding Production and Sales Budgets, and Box Office Flops, like “The Lone Ranger” with its $200 Million+ budget. Will they implode?
Humberto Rivera
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I found this interesting article in the NY Times; http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/08/movies/masked-lawman-stumbles-at-the-gate.html?hpw “Masked Lawman Stumbles at the Gate” By BROOKS BARNES Published: July 7, 2013
To quote from the article; “Together they offer a striking portrait of modern Hollywood. Studios like Disney, searching for global audiences, are making fewer movies but spending more on the ones they do release. This raises the stakes to almost IMPOSSIBLE LEVELS; “The Lone Ranger,” which cost at least $375 million TO MAKE AND MARKET, will need to take in an estimated $800 million worldwide to break even, after accounting for revenue splits with theater owners. “ NY Times
I think its official, being that today is Sunday, and the end of “The Fourth of July” week-end, “The Lone Ranger” will probably be $100 Million Dollar write off for Disney!
Humberto Rivera
To quote from the article; “Together they offer a striking portrait of modern Hollywood. Studios like Disney, searching for global audiences, are making fewer movies but spending more on the ones they do release. This raises the stakes to almost IMPOSSIBLE LEVELS; “The Lone Ranger,” which cost at least $375 million TO MAKE AND MARKET, will need to take in an estimated $800 million worldwide to break even, after accounting for revenue splits with theater owners. “ NY Times
I think its official, being that today is Sunday, and the end of “The Fourth of July” week-end, “The Lone Ranger” will probably be $100 Million Dollar write off for Disney!
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Legendary Pictures of “Guillermo Del Torro”, “Pacific Rim” has opened as a Warner Brother’s release!
Here are the ONGOING numbers in; http://www.deadline.com/2013/07/pac...ustralia-and-begins-baffling-global-roll-out/ “‘Pacific Rim’ And ‘Grown-Ups 2′ Open Late Shows Bigger Than Expected In North America; Legendary’s Thriller #1 In Asia” By NIKKI FINKE, Editor in Chief | Friday July 12, 2013 @ 7:10am PDT
Is interesting to watch how this Picture does because it’s one of those Films which are all Action, and little drama, remember what Steven Soderberh’s said about some taking out this compute and watching all the action footage while on his Jet Blue Fight. We’ll have to wait to see how the Film does, but apparently there is a Market for this kind of Picture!
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Here are the ONGOING numbers in; http://www.deadline.com/2013/07/pac...ustralia-and-begins-baffling-global-roll-out/ “‘Pacific Rim’ And ‘Grown-Ups 2′ Open Late Shows Bigger Than Expected In North America; Legendary’s Thriller #1 In Asia” By NIKKI FINKE, Editor in Chief | Friday July 12, 2013 @ 7:10am PDT
Is interesting to watch how this Picture does because it’s one of those Films which are all Action, and little drama, remember what Steven Soderberh’s said about some taking out this compute and watching all the action footage while on his Jet Blue Fight. We’ll have to wait to see how the Film does, but apparently there is a Market for this kind of Picture!
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First my interest in this “Film” is that it was shot on the Epic X Camera, a $180 M to $200 M Picture. That’s saying a lot for a Camera that some people considered better than (the number continues to be lower by the week) the Arri Alexa. It was full of VFX made by ILM! It has US National and International Movie Budget as well as Video Game component, between the three they should do well!
The reference is the same above, just the titled Changed; http://www.deadline.com/2013/07/pac...ustralia-and-begins-baffling-global-roll-out/ “‘Pacific Rim’ #3 As ‘Grown-Ups 2′ Edged By #1 ‘Despicable Me 2′ For Domestic Weekend” By NIKKI FINKE, Editor in Chief - Sunday July 14, 2013 @ 11:41am PDT
How it was marketed by Warner Brothers “Domestically and Internationally” is another question. There is talk of a sequel by “Legendary Pictures”! How the Top Three spots are just about to be divided up for the “First Week” of domestically (US and Canada) Produced Movie, is becoming more and more firm.
I think that “Pacific Rim’s” big budget will also be off-set by its video game component! http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/122...me-hits-app-store-for-movie-s-opening-weekend it was available for sale as the Movie’s opened, the Picture is perfect for it that may be a reason why its ILM budget was so high. None of that is being reflected on its US Box Office Numbers! It’s multi-purpose Film. With just about $91.3 M Internationally it has a lot more to go before its Break Even Point!
Humberto Rivera
The reference is the same above, just the titled Changed; http://www.deadline.com/2013/07/pac...ustralia-and-begins-baffling-global-roll-out/ “‘Pacific Rim’ #3 As ‘Grown-Ups 2′ Edged By #1 ‘Despicable Me 2′ For Domestic Weekend” By NIKKI FINKE, Editor in Chief - Sunday July 14, 2013 @ 11:41am PDT
How it was marketed by Warner Brothers “Domestically and Internationally” is another question. There is talk of a sequel by “Legendary Pictures”! How the Top Three spots are just about to be divided up for the “First Week” of domestically (US and Canada) Produced Movie, is becoming more and more firm.
I think that “Pacific Rim’s” big budget will also be off-set by its video game component! http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/122...me-hits-app-store-for-movie-s-opening-weekend it was available for sale as the Movie’s opened, the Picture is perfect for it that may be a reason why its ILM budget was so high. None of that is being reflected on its US Box Office Numbers! It’s multi-purpose Film. With just about $91.3 M Internationally it has a lot more to go before its Break Even Point!
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Well it seems that Hollywood is taking a look at the TENTPOLE Films; Too Many TENTPOLES; “Hollywood's Homegrown Summer Movie Crisis” 1:00 AM PDT 7/17/2013 by Pamela McClintock http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/pacific-rim-lone-ranger-hollywoods-586076 Among them is “Pacific Rim”, TO QUOTE; "Pacific Rim," "The Lone Ranger" and "White House Down" flops are leading studios to re-evaluate their plans as an overcrowded summer schedule leads to millions in losses; one analyst tells THR, "It's not worth the pain."
TO QUOTE AGAIN; “Pacific Rim, which cost as much as $200 million to produce -- plus a global marketing spend in the $175 million range -- could lose $50 million to $100 million for Legendary and Warners, according to rival studio insiders. The pic opened to a soft $37.3 million domestically and $53.1 million from its first 38 foreign markets. While poised to do big business in Asia, Russia and Latin America, its chances are dicey in Europe and Australia. LEGENDARY, which produced the fanboy-friendly film and footed most of the bill, will take the biggest hit.” The Hollywood Reporter
I think that “Pacific Rim” will eventually do OK, but not a Summer Blockbuster, SO much for the all action Picture! They will have to count every penny they make over the next Three Week and that includes Ancillary Markets such as Video Game.
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TO QUOTE AGAIN; “Pacific Rim, which cost as much as $200 million to produce -- plus a global marketing spend in the $175 million range -- could lose $50 million to $100 million for Legendary and Warners, according to rival studio insiders. The pic opened to a soft $37.3 million domestically and $53.1 million from its first 38 foreign markets. While poised to do big business in Asia, Russia and Latin America, its chances are dicey in Europe and Australia. LEGENDARY, which produced the fanboy-friendly film and footed most of the bill, will take the biggest hit.” The Hollywood Reporter
I think that “Pacific Rim” will eventually do OK, but not a Summer Blockbuster, SO much for the all action Picture! They will have to count every penny they make over the next Three Week and that includes Ancillary Markets such as Video Game.
Humberto Rivera
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I did read your posts this time.
yeah, not sure. The Soderbergh thing is...well, what I think he's saying is, that these movies are void of story. They are using quick cuts and action scenes to create drama. I believe this is all in reference to his place in the film market, or his movies. Synonymous? maybe?
There are a lot of bad movies, with no substance being made for all the wrong reasons...I think that's the jest of Soderbergh speech.
Really starts with the wrong people making artistic decisions, based on a monetary gain.
yeah, not sure. The Soderbergh thing is...well, what I think he's saying is, that these movies are void of story. They are using quick cuts and action scenes to create drama. I believe this is all in reference to his place in the film market, or his movies. Synonymous? maybe?
There are a lot of bad movies, with no substance being made for all the wrong reasons...I think that's the jest of Soderbergh speech.
Really starts with the wrong people making artistic decisions, based on a monetary gain.
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Hi Jeffery thanks for reading my post. I’m taking a different approach to what Steven Soderberh said; I think he’s talking about the budget of a movie that need to be “BIG” (don’t know what big is) in order to enter the “Studio Realm”, because it makes no-sense to release a $5M or even a $30 M Film when you need to invest $60 M to $175 M to “Market it Worldwide”. He is referring to what has been referred in colloquialism as a “TENTPOLE PICTURE”. I agree with you that there are a lot of bad Movies, including some “TENTPOLE PICTURES”.
There are some Films that are all Action and Little Drama (Pacific Rim) but yet there is a Market for them (or Video Game), COMPLICATED? So he was talking about many things, the Studios being wrong about what audiences want base on their instincts, or previous “Hits” or what the committee wants (don’t know what kind of people or Executives MAKE-UP the committee). At the end it’s a “CRAB SHOOT”, I personally think that no one knows! So to paraphrase him; Go out and make the Film that’s of interest YOU and the world “BE-DAM”!
When the new Epic 6K Dragon M –X comes out that will change the world as we know it; again! It will have OVER 16 stops of dynamic range, it will have and ASA/ISO of 2000, everything will be better, I know that some skeptic are waiting to see if that so, well they don’t have long to wait! First my interest in this “Film” (Pacific Rim) is that it was shot on the Epic M - X Camera, a $180 M to $200 M Picture. That’s saying a lot for a Camera that some people considered better than (the number continues to be lower by the month) the Arri Alexa. It was full of VFX made by ILM! It has a rather large “US National and International Movie Budget” as well as Video Game component, between the three I hope they do well!
What is a TENTPOLE MOVIE? I asked myself that question, here is what I found, I thought, I would share it with you-all! Where does the term come from, how was-it that it stared applying to Motion Picture Film?
Here is one ANSWER; http://www.askdavetaylor.com/what_is_a_tentpole_movie.html TO QUOTE; “Box-Office Performance Will Increasingly Depend on a Small Number of Blockbusters Studios and distributors hedge their bets by releasing a slate of movies each year. The most promising projects (so-called "tent pole" or "event" movies) will generally receive the most attention. These movies often receive the highest production budgets as well as the highest marketing budgets and, critical to a successful theatrical release, a favorable release date. Because the share of revenues captured by blockbuster movies continues to rise, this appears to be a valid strategy. For example, in 2003, 19 movies generated over $50 million each at the box office (accounting for 22% of the year 's total), compared with 14 in 1998. Also, I've movies generated over $100 million each in theatrical revenues in 2003 (accounting for 14% of the year 's total), compared with two in 1998..." or another which is kind of interesting from within this article; http://www.people.hbs.edu/aelberse/publications/Eliashberg_Elberse_Leenders_2006.pdf
HERE IS WHAT WIKIPEDIA HAS TO SAY; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tent-pole_(entertainment) “The term tent-pole refers to a broadcast programming or motion picture expected to hold up (as is the function of a tent pole) and balance out the financial performance of a movie studio or television network. In the movie business, tent-poles are sometimes widely-released initial offerings in a string of releases and are expected by studios to turn a profit in a short period of time. Such programming is often accompanied by larger budgets and heavy promotion.[1] An example of this strategy in television is to schedule a popular television program alongside new or unknown programming, in an attempt to keep audience viewers watching after the flagship program is over; a prominent example is the long-running Star Trek franchise.[2] 30 Rock character Tracy Jordan once proclaimed his frustration with the NBC decision to cancel Law & Order by shouting "It was a tent-pole. A tent-pole!"[3]” Wikipedia - See also Wiktionary; http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tentpole_movie
Recently Spielberg and Lucas were commenting on large Films; http://www.vulture.com/2013/06/george-lucas-steven-spielberg-on-hollywood-blockbusters.html “A few weeks ago, in a televised symposium, Steven Spielberg predicted the “IMPLOSION” of Hollywood as a consequence of blockbuster mania while George Lucas sat next to him, nodding. “You’re at the point right now,” said Spielberg, “where a studio would rather invest $250 million in one film for a real shot at the brass ring than make a whole bunch of really interesting, deeply personal—and even maybe historical—projects that may get lost in the shuffle.” Vulture.com
And Another Article; “Digital Hollywood Panel Debates the Risks and Rewards of the Tentpole” http://www.freenewspos.com/news/art...debates-the-risks-and-rewards-of-the-tentpole TO QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE; “Moderator Marty Shindler, CEO, The Shindler Perspective, noted that TENTPOLES can cost upward of $200 million -- more than $300 UP FRONT with marketing costs -- CREATING A RISKY VENTURE when 60 to 75 percent of these releases LOSE money for their investors. “No one sets out to make a bad movie, but it happens,” he said, noting that studios take on partners to lower the risk though that also reduces the upside.” Free News Pos.com
So my question was answered, “sort-off”, is a Big Money Risky Event when desperate people (or Studios) try to make what you lost in previous ventures, in a SHORT TIME! That’s more or less what it means, as far as I can see. Big Game; Risky for Studio Heads to Play! Recently there have been quite a few TENTPOLE FILMS THAT FAILED; “Pacific Rim”," "The Lone Ranger", "White House Down", “After Earth”, “John Carter” there are really too many to mention! Do all these Films qualified as IMPLOSIONS? How Many implosions does it take to bring a Studio Down? I don’t know, if at all, but it does not help, one after the other!
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There are some Films that are all Action and Little Drama (Pacific Rim) but yet there is a Market for them (or Video Game), COMPLICATED? So he was talking about many things, the Studios being wrong about what audiences want base on their instincts, or previous “Hits” or what the committee wants (don’t know what kind of people or Executives MAKE-UP the committee). At the end it’s a “CRAB SHOOT”, I personally think that no one knows! So to paraphrase him; Go out and make the Film that’s of interest YOU and the world “BE-DAM”!
When the new Epic 6K Dragon M –X comes out that will change the world as we know it; again! It will have OVER 16 stops of dynamic range, it will have and ASA/ISO of 2000, everything will be better, I know that some skeptic are waiting to see if that so, well they don’t have long to wait! First my interest in this “Film” (Pacific Rim) is that it was shot on the Epic M - X Camera, a $180 M to $200 M Picture. That’s saying a lot for a Camera that some people considered better than (the number continues to be lower by the month) the Arri Alexa. It was full of VFX made by ILM! It has a rather large “US National and International Movie Budget” as well as Video Game component, between the three I hope they do well!
What is a TENTPOLE MOVIE? I asked myself that question, here is what I found, I thought, I would share it with you-all! Where does the term come from, how was-it that it stared applying to Motion Picture Film?
Here is one ANSWER; http://www.askdavetaylor.com/what_is_a_tentpole_movie.html TO QUOTE; “Box-Office Performance Will Increasingly Depend on a Small Number of Blockbusters Studios and distributors hedge their bets by releasing a slate of movies each year. The most promising projects (so-called "tent pole" or "event" movies) will generally receive the most attention. These movies often receive the highest production budgets as well as the highest marketing budgets and, critical to a successful theatrical release, a favorable release date. Because the share of revenues captured by blockbuster movies continues to rise, this appears to be a valid strategy. For example, in 2003, 19 movies generated over $50 million each at the box office (accounting for 22% of the year 's total), compared with 14 in 1998. Also, I've movies generated over $100 million each in theatrical revenues in 2003 (accounting for 14% of the year 's total), compared with two in 1998..." or another which is kind of interesting from within this article; http://www.people.hbs.edu/aelberse/publications/Eliashberg_Elberse_Leenders_2006.pdf
HERE IS WHAT WIKIPEDIA HAS TO SAY; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tent-pole_(entertainment) “The term tent-pole refers to a broadcast programming or motion picture expected to hold up (as is the function of a tent pole) and balance out the financial performance of a movie studio or television network. In the movie business, tent-poles are sometimes widely-released initial offerings in a string of releases and are expected by studios to turn a profit in a short period of time. Such programming is often accompanied by larger budgets and heavy promotion.[1] An example of this strategy in television is to schedule a popular television program alongside new or unknown programming, in an attempt to keep audience viewers watching after the flagship program is over; a prominent example is the long-running Star Trek franchise.[2] 30 Rock character Tracy Jordan once proclaimed his frustration with the NBC decision to cancel Law & Order by shouting "It was a tent-pole. A tent-pole!"[3]” Wikipedia - See also Wiktionary; http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tentpole_movie
Recently Spielberg and Lucas were commenting on large Films; http://www.vulture.com/2013/06/george-lucas-steven-spielberg-on-hollywood-blockbusters.html “A few weeks ago, in a televised symposium, Steven Spielberg predicted the “IMPLOSION” of Hollywood as a consequence of blockbuster mania while George Lucas sat next to him, nodding. “You’re at the point right now,” said Spielberg, “where a studio would rather invest $250 million in one film for a real shot at the brass ring than make a whole bunch of really interesting, deeply personal—and even maybe historical—projects that may get lost in the shuffle.” Vulture.com
And Another Article; “Digital Hollywood Panel Debates the Risks and Rewards of the Tentpole” http://www.freenewspos.com/news/art...debates-the-risks-and-rewards-of-the-tentpole TO QUOTE FROM THE ARTICLE; “Moderator Marty Shindler, CEO, The Shindler Perspective, noted that TENTPOLES can cost upward of $200 million -- more than $300 UP FRONT with marketing costs -- CREATING A RISKY VENTURE when 60 to 75 percent of these releases LOSE money for their investors. “No one sets out to make a bad movie, but it happens,” he said, noting that studios take on partners to lower the risk though that also reduces the upside.” Free News Pos.com
So my question was answered, “sort-off”, is a Big Money Risky Event when desperate people (or Studios) try to make what you lost in previous ventures, in a SHORT TIME! That’s more or less what it means, as far as I can see. Big Game; Risky for Studio Heads to Play! Recently there have been quite a few TENTPOLE FILMS THAT FAILED; “Pacific Rim”," "The Lone Ranger", "White House Down", “After Earth”, “John Carter” there are really too many to mention! Do all these Films qualified as IMPLOSIONS? How Many implosions does it take to bring a Studio Down? I don’t know, if at all, but it does not help, one after the other!
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Thanks Brice, it’s a NICE POST, it begins with the origins of David Lynch evolution from his Second Grade Panting Class to his modern day Filmmaker Status! It does not matter if you do a film with simple Sony Video Camera (as in the Video) or a Full Blown 35 mm Motion Picture Crew as in “Blue Velvet” (or Red Epic 6K Dragon), he is still David Lynch! Thanks, It kinds of explore the evolution to digital as he understand it with a simple Sony Video Camera to the high end Digital Cinema Camera, such as the Epic 6K Dragon! Not included in the Film (but it could have been).
Can you imagine what he could have done with a Red Epic 6K Dragon Camera (still a very small camera), with its 16+ Stops (Black that are really Black), with its 2000 ISO/ASA Faster Exposure, Master Primes (they see in the dark), HDRX unlimited stops (if he wants to push the limits of the light, at least reasonably speaking). I’m just saying since his “Blue Velvet” days, well they’ve changed quieted a bit, by comparison to a 35 mm Panavision Camera the Red Epic 6K Camera is REALLY SMALL.
Every things else was OK, the Avid for editing, thinking about the three major releasing methods, Big Screen, Television, and the Internet. Hi location sound recording seem more expensive that his Sony Simple Video Camera. He can keep his Independent soul and do whatever kind film he likes, but just add a little (or a lot) of “umps” to his work with the Red Epic 6K Dragon Camera! Just saying; Independent Filmmaking has many facets!
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Can you imagine what he could have done with a Red Epic 6K Dragon Camera (still a very small camera), with its 16+ Stops (Black that are really Black), with its 2000 ISO/ASA Faster Exposure, Master Primes (they see in the dark), HDRX unlimited stops (if he wants to push the limits of the light, at least reasonably speaking). I’m just saying since his “Blue Velvet” days, well they’ve changed quieted a bit, by comparison to a 35 mm Panavision Camera the Red Epic 6K Camera is REALLY SMALL.
Every things else was OK, the Avid for editing, thinking about the three major releasing methods, Big Screen, Television, and the Internet. Hi location sound recording seem more expensive that his Sony Simple Video Camera. He can keep his Independent soul and do whatever kind film he likes, but just add a little (or a lot) of “umps” to his work with the Red Epic 6K Dragon Camera! Just saying; Independent Filmmaking has many facets!
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Humberto... You are out of control in this Thread ha ha... So much to read!!
Great library of information in here!
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Thanks Ketch, and Elsie, I’m glad someone is reading my post, you kind of get cabin fever here in Costa Rica, not the place, but a lack of people to talk about filmmaking!
I DECIDED TO LOOK INTO DAVID LYNCH AND HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS, HERE IS WHAT I FOUND IN WIKIPEDIA; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch_filmography “David Keith Lynch (born January 20, 1946) is an American filmmaker, television director, visual artist, musician and occasional actor. Known for his surrealist films, he has developed his own unique cinematic style which has been dubbed "Lynchian"[1] and is characterized by its dream imagery and meticulous sound design. The surreal and, in many cases, violent elements to his films have earned them the reputation that they "disturb, offend or mystify" their audiences.[2]
Lynch's oeuvre includes short and feature-length films, music videos, documentaries and television episodes; while his involvement in these ranges from direction, production, screenwriting, acting and sound design. Lynch's first project was the 1966 short Six Figures Getting Sick, an animated film which blended elements of sculpture and painting into its animation.[3] His first feature-length project, 1977's Eraserhead, became a cult film and launched his commercial career.[4] It also marked his first collaboration with Jack Nance, an actor who would appear in many more of Lynch's productions until his death in 1996.[5] Lynch's other feature films include the critically successful The Elephant Man (1980), Blue Velvet (1986) and Mulholland Drive (2001), all of which went on to earn Academy Award nominations;[6][7][8] and the commercial flop Dune, from which Lynch had his name removed.[9]
Lynch has also branched out into television, and later, internet-based series. His first foray into the medium was Twin Peaks, a joint venture with Mark Frost. Twin Peaks became a cult success,[10] leading to Lynch and Frost working together on a number of other projects, including On the Air,[11] and American Chronicles.[12] In 2002 Lynch began producing two series of shorts released through his official website—the Flash-animated DumbLand,[13] and the stop-motion Rabbits.[14] Having begun acting in his 1972 short The Amputee,[15] Lynch went on to appear on-camera in Twin Peaks,[16] Zelly and Me and Dune.[17] From 2007, Lynch has appeared in a recurring voice role in the animated series The Cleveland Show.[18]" Wikipedia
Thought I shared it! You can look it up; there is so much about this very Independent and sometimes abstract filmmaker. The video posted by Brice, is a good Bible for Filmmakers as Elsie said!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch_filmography
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Short_Films_of_David_Lynch in Italian http://translate.google.com/transla...motion+%22david+lynch%22&lr=&hl=en&as_qdr=all Translation to English
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(film)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch
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I DECIDED TO LOOK INTO DAVID LYNCH AND HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS, HERE IS WHAT I FOUND IN WIKIPEDIA; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch_filmography “David Keith Lynch (born January 20, 1946) is an American filmmaker, television director, visual artist, musician and occasional actor. Known for his surrealist films, he has developed his own unique cinematic style which has been dubbed "Lynchian"[1] and is characterized by its dream imagery and meticulous sound design. The surreal and, in many cases, violent elements to his films have earned them the reputation that they "disturb, offend or mystify" their audiences.[2]
Lynch's oeuvre includes short and feature-length films, music videos, documentaries and television episodes; while his involvement in these ranges from direction, production, screenwriting, acting and sound design. Lynch's first project was the 1966 short Six Figures Getting Sick, an animated film which blended elements of sculpture and painting into its animation.[3] His first feature-length project, 1977's Eraserhead, became a cult film and launched his commercial career.[4] It also marked his first collaboration with Jack Nance, an actor who would appear in many more of Lynch's productions until his death in 1996.[5] Lynch's other feature films include the critically successful The Elephant Man (1980), Blue Velvet (1986) and Mulholland Drive (2001), all of which went on to earn Academy Award nominations;[6][7][8] and the commercial flop Dune, from which Lynch had his name removed.[9]
Lynch has also branched out into television, and later, internet-based series. His first foray into the medium was Twin Peaks, a joint venture with Mark Frost. Twin Peaks became a cult success,[10] leading to Lynch and Frost working together on a number of other projects, including On the Air,[11] and American Chronicles.[12] In 2002 Lynch began producing two series of shorts released through his official website—the Flash-animated DumbLand,[13] and the stop-motion Rabbits.[14] Having begun acting in his 1972 short The Amputee,[15] Lynch went on to appear on-camera in Twin Peaks,[16] Zelly and Me and Dune.[17] From 2007, Lynch has appeared in a recurring voice role in the animated series The Cleveland Show.[18]" Wikipedia
Thought I shared it! You can look it up; there is so much about this very Independent and sometimes abstract filmmaker. The video posted by Brice, is a good Bible for Filmmakers as Elsie said!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch_filmography
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Short_Films_of_David_Lynch in Italian http://translate.google.com/transla...motion+%22david+lynch%22&lr=&hl=en&as_qdr=all Translation to English
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(film)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch
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