Steadicam Group Buy - Select your model

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Can you stay out of this Vitaliy? We all know there are import/tax issues to deal with when importing things into the EU. I know it's hard to resist taking a cheap shot at a competitor, especially one you lost a good chunk of your group buy customers to, but do try.

I really like your improper remark here. I did not lost anything, I gained. As if people select product proper for their needs it is big gain for everyone. And had been very positive about ProLine and any other manufacturers. In fact, all my interference was about ProLine relabeling indian FlyCam sled and vest. It is not negative or positive, it is just fact.

As for my remark, may be you may personally know value of tax and duties, I am sure some people from the group are not aware of their value. Same goes for shipping. People must be fully aware about all details making their choice.

 

[Carey Lee Coffey]

Okay, I retract the word "lobby"... I'm not intending to insult anyone. I'm just saying that you are attempting to influence or sway people toward a desired action.

By the way, the difference in price is a lot more than you're claiming. If the prices were comparable, I would be on board with the AP 100%.

 

[Brett Harrison]

The vest isn't exactly the same as the Indian one: it's been modified in some way. It's not clear from the website - better foam and more weather resistant, I think.

Are there any other videos or means for reviewing the Raptor for the group? It'd be sensible to make a formal introduction as it were, like the other rigs have.

 

[Ev Shipard]

Action Product's Raptor looks great. How do we move forward with this model?

 

[Carey Lee Coffey]

Action Product's Raptor looks great. How do we move forward with this model?

We all organize and try to get them to offer us a deeper discount, if we can get 40 + in our group. Make no mistake, I would rather have the Raptor... but their discount stops at 20 sales. I'm hoping they will give us another tier of 40 + that will be within the current PROLine group's budget.

I'm not asking for the same price as the PROLine, I'm asking them to compromise and meet somewhere in the middle so that they can sell a lot of rigs, and we can all get the rig we want.

We all want the best possible rig at the best possible price. That's why we create group buys... to get wholesale prices on items that would normally be out of our budget.

We have the numbers. They have their numbers. We just need to get our numbers and their numbers to meet.

 

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

The vest isn't exactly the same as the Indian one: it's been modified in some way. It's not clear from the website - better foam and more weather resistant, I think.

Hmm. I never saw any modifications. Author of ProLine had been responding here (in fact, he is in the buyers list of his product even ) and he replied that yes, they are using cheap indian vest, for them it is good enought.

 

[roryhinds]

Why are people so smitten with the Raptor when there is very little info on the system and from the 2011 NAB video it looks rather under powered compared to the Proline.

What am I missing here?

 

[Kwan Khan]

I'm not asking for the same price as the PROLine,

Hummm... and why not fella'?
Lets give our self a fair chance please.

This is a really good opportunity for any LUCKY SELLER. Most of us have no problem giving great exposure to their product in the professional film world that last for years. Our community spend money, and lots of it. We all professional and shoot every week with rotating crews. Other communities can see us using their smart gears. We use kit out in the field, we talk to other people & other communities in our business.....

One SINCERE REQUEST! to AP, take look at this thread and lets get these things out in the field!

 

[Marc Berger]

Hummm... and why not fella'?
Lets give our self a fair chance please.

This is a really good opportunity for any LUCKY SELLER. Most of us have no problem giving great exposure to their product in the professional film world that last for years. Our community spend money, and lots of it. We all professional and shoot every week with rotating crews. Other communities can see us using their smart gears. We use kit out in the field, we talk to other people & other communities in our business.....

One SINCERE REQUEST! to AP, take look at this thread and lets get these things out in the field!

Anyway, I would like to see a groupbuy for the Raptor too. At the given price it is still a bargain for a serious rig. I know it´s difficult to just lower the price by ordering higher numbers if you work with high quality (swiss) CNC and other manufacturer processes. There the big difference would make 10000 pieces and not 40 instead of 20.
Marc

 

[Brett Harrison]

Anyway, I would like to see a groupbuy for the Raptor too. At the given price it is still a bargain for a serious rig. I know it´s difficult to just lower the price by ordering higher numbers if you work with high quality (swiss) CNC and other manufacturer processes. There the big difference would make 10000 pieces and not 40 instead of 20.
Marc

Whatever rig we end up going with, you can guarantee there will be tons of videos reveling in it.

 

[Kwan Khan]

Whatever rig we end up going with, you can guarantee there will be tons of videos reveling in it.

Exactement (lol)

 

[constantine Tirintzis]

Iam just gonna erase my posts cause Iam not sure what the rules are on this posts ,and the last comment is to explain something to people.
Its alright forn an Epic or Alexa user to charge 600-1000 and sometimes even more for an Epic rental / day, supervising the camera with an ac assistand, but for film gear manufacturer companies looks to you that is unreasonable to design from scratch, invest a lot of $$$$$ and r&d a product for 1-2 years, made with all sorts of labor and cnc processes and end up in your bag of rentals for cheap. How are these companies are going to carry on doing this with your proposals? Making minor profit?
why dont you guys do the same with Epic for example? get together 40 of you and just ask for a 35% or even 40% 50% discount?
I dont think you are looking at this either correctly or fair.
Maybe if you get to know the industry a little better (manufacturing) you wouldnt say all this.
until then dont rely this based on indian or chinese companies, because what they do isnt exactly the same thing.
And btw I have been asked to write my oppinion publically after many privet emails and thats what I did. influence ? yes thats what happens when you compare things, people read and choose which way to go.
But I have been very objective and also told you my thoughts on how everything might not be wise to buy with out trying, maingly because I know my profffession , and know that even a top rig might not be good for every operator that he might choose to go with a different manufacturer because it suits him best.

again sorry for the missunderstandings and good luck

EDIIT: I will share my experience in all suggested rigs and answer any questions in my privet email if someone is interested. This way no missunderstandings.
regards

 

[Brett Harrison]

Iam just gonna erase my posts cause Iam not sure what the rules are on this posts ,and the last comment is to explain something to people.
Its alright forn an Epic or Alexa user to charge 600-1000 and sometimes even more for an Epic rental / day, supervising the camera with an ac assistand, but for film gear manufacturer companies looks to you that is unreasonable to design from scratch, invest a lot of $$$$$ and r&d a product for 1-2 years, made with all sorts of labor and cnc processes and end up in your bag of rentals for cheap. How are these companies are going to carry on doing this with your proposals? Making minor profit?
why dont you guys do the same with Epic for example? get together 40 of you and just ask for a 35% or even 40% 50% discount?
I dont think you are looking at this either correctly or fair.
Maybe if you get to know the industry a little better (manufacturing) you wouldnt say all this.
until then dont rely this based on indian or chinese companies, because what they do isnt exactly the same thing.

again sorry for the missunderstandings and good luck

No need to delete your posts (they're all in the email boxes of the subscribers of this thread anyway) just edit out any figures that reveal the prices on offer, if you would, for the sake of the manufacturers. They do the group buy on the condition of keeping that under wraps.

 

[Marc Berger]

Iam just gonna erase my posts cause Iam not sure what the rules are on this posts ,and the last comment is to explain something to people.
Its alright forn an Epic or Alexa user to charge 600-1000 and sometimes even more for an Epic rental / day, supervising the camera with an ac assistand, but for film gear manufacturer companies looks to you that is unreasonable to design from scratch, invest a lot of $$$$$ and r&d a product for 1-2 years, made with all sorts of labor and cnc processes and end up in your bag of rentals for cheap. How are these companies are going to carry on doing this with your proposals? Making minor profit?
why dont you guys do the same with Epic for example? get together 40 of you and just ask for a 35% or even 40% 50% discount?
I dont think you are looking at this either correctly or fair.
Maybe if you get to know the industry a little better (manufacturing) you wouldnt say all this.
until then dont rely this based on indian or chinese companies, because what they do isnt exactly the same thing.
And btw I have been asked to write my oppinion publically after many privet emails and thats what I did. influence ? yes thats what happens when you compare things, people read and choose which way to go.
But I have been very objective and also told you my thoughts on how everything might not be wise to buy with out trying, maingly because I know my profffession , and know that even a top rig might not be good for every operator that he might choose to go with a different manufacturer because it suits him best.

again sorry for the missunderstandings and good luck

EDIIT: I will share my experience in all suggested rigs and answer any questions in my privet email if someone is interested. This way no missunderstandings.
regards

Constantine,
Thank you for your always great input. I hope you will jump in the AP groupbuy thread with your thoughts, if there will be any.
Marc

 

[Brett Harrison]

Here's a little more of the Raptor http://vimeo.com/40698038 Unfortunately it's very grainy.

 

[Brandon J.F.]

Hmm. I never saw any modifications. Author of ProLine had been responding here (in fact, he is in the buyers list of his product even ) and he replied that yes, they are using cheap indian vest, for them it is good enought.

This is what he said exactly:

yes the vest is from the same dealer as flycam with some change in the socket, that vest is really strong confortable and good price and can handle an arri 535, lite red one alexa. if you wanna pay us$ 3000 more we can offer another vest or a wk backmount for us$ 5000 we have many options in vests, monitors, batteries, tally sistems.

I didn't hear anyone at the demo complain about the vest. Ironically people here have voiced concerns about the vest you are offering.

 

[Brett Harrison]

This is what he said exactly:



I didn't hear anyone at the demo complain about the vest. Ironically people here have voiced concerns about the vest you are offering.

Thank you Brandon, I was sure there was some kind of modification going on.

Here's the copy from their website:

"Our vest is lightweight, ergonomic and has been designed for increased operator control and comfort. It is constructed of “dynamite” weather resistant black material."

 

[constantine Tirintzis]

Marc you are welcome.
I still dont know how the rules are for these posts.
I thought that for example since it was said that there is a AP offer here on this thread , it would be good to give some input.
But now I see that there are different threads for each rig, or something like this.
thanks

 

[Brett Harrison]

Marc you are welcome.
I still dont know how the rules are for these posts.
I thought that for example since it was said that there is a AP offer here on this thread , it would be good to give some input.
But now I see that there are different threads for each rig, or something like this.
thanks

It's pretty confusing, even for people who have been following closely from the start!

 

[David Kellermann]

Marc you are welcome.
I still dont know how the rules are for these posts.
I thought that for example since it was said that there is a AP offer here on this thread , it would be good to give some input.
But now I see that there are different threads for each rig, or something like this.
thanks

This thread would be the place to discuss the AP Raptor, if it would be an option for all of us. I asked AP for a quote since I believe that they are manufacturing amazing products. I would never doubt the quality of the Raptor. But there are some other important factors, other than the quality:

1) Can most people in the group afford it?
2) Would creating a new group hurt the opportunity of the other group to purchase a rig that they can afford?
3) Does the product fulfill the needs of all members of the group (see strength of arm to carry a RED one)?

Or to put it in an economic context: let's try to maximize the gains of the group rather the gains of some individuals.

Cheers
David