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Spielberg's latest...

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Film is great but its an elitarian and expensive media.

I'm an egalitarian thinker [that doesn't necessarily mean - communist!].

Many talented people didn't have a chance in the past because of the $$$ factor.

You had to starve ot ki$$ a$$ to be given a chance.

Well you always need some $$ to make movies, but obtaining a real cinematic look is not a $$$-utopia anymore.

You can make a perfect little movie with something like RED. Or why not even a 24p HD camera?

Man, you can do something amazing that happens in a single room!

Talent will decide things from now on, and not so much $$$ and connections.

The big fishes will compete with the little ones on the same track.

This is justice.

If you got something good, it won't stay hidden.

RED is freedom.

:innocent:
 
spielberg should be the last one to keep to film. he and his comrades turned hollywood into an assembly line industry that produces meaningless or manipulative flicks with a short life...
 
kalone said:
spielberg should be the last one to keep to film. he and his comrades turned hollywood into an assembly line industry that produces meaningless or manipulative flicks with a short life...
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This is true, but he has also made a handful of painfully good movies. :clown2:

And Hollywood has always been like that, IMHO.
 
Spielberg started with a realy low budget movie, and what is more important i dont think he is guilty for the price of camera rental and lab prices, as far as i know.
We must be glad from leaving in a time were shooting is a little bit less expensive, an from there on we have to be the ones making better movies,, wich is much more important for me than what are made with
 
kalone said:
spielberg should be the last one to keep to film. he and his comrades turned hollywood into an assembly line industry that produces meaningless or manipulative flicks with a short life...
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This is bullshit, sorry.
Spielberg created Jaws, yes it was a huge succes, but it's also a great movie.
Great characters, dialogue, great cinematography, music, suspense,...

George Lucas made Star Wars, I'm personally not really a fan of it.

So Hollywood thought they had a winning formula and brought out meaningless copies, but that's Hollywood's fault, not Spielberg's.
If you would have read biographies of Spielberg - and maybe you have - then you would know that Spielberg is a filmmaker is someone who shoots from his heart, and all his movie (except for maybe a few *Lost World* *Terminal*) he was very passionate about, as a filmmaker and artist.
And they are indeed commercial and accesible. What does he have to do?
Make them the way he DOESN'T want, because arthouse lovers would like him more?

Don't get me wrong, I love arthouse films too. Really. But saying that arthouse films are good and commercial films are crap, THAT'S much more elitist then film as a medium will ever be...

And I still think if you are a great filmmaker, you could have made your masterpieces with one of the SD Prosumer camera's on the market for a whole while. Don't get me wrong: RED IS GREAT, and if I could afford it, I would have made a reservation more then a year ago. I've supported this project from the beginning.
But many of the 24p camera's, 35mm adapters, already gave you acces to enough tools to tell your story. If you say you waited for the technology to catch up, I think you're using excuses to not make your movie...
There have been MORE then enough examples of people making their movie with low budget tools, but because they had talent, their movies had a vision, THAT's what made them succeed as a filmmaker...
 
sidderke said:
But many of the 24p camera's, 35mm adapters, already gave you acces to enough tools to tell your story. If you say you waited for the technology to catch up, I think you're using excuses to not make your movie...
There have been MORE then enough examples of people making their movie with low budget tools, but because they had talent, their movies had a vision, THAT's what made them succeed as a filmmaker...
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Well said... So I can soon stop using excuses :)
 
cws said:
With digital projection & colour calibration very well established in post houses, there's really only the need for occassional film output as confidence check or for delivery items now. Otherwise I do consider it a waste of money, although its still happens occassionaly that you do "need" to see something on film to see how the fx translates and whether the grain of intermediate stock helps....
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Define occasional?

I see it more than occasionally, since at the moment most movies have more film prints than DCPs. I assume there are vfx houses with digital projectors, but probably more with film projectors.

While color calibration may be well established, you're not going to get a true representation of a film print, without viewing a film print. It's always helpful reviewing vfx work projected.
 
Paul Wizikowski said:
I don't think its too much to add:

Jim was then invited to watch a 4K transfer of one of the old Indiana Jones films there with Steven and Jim said that the entire time Steven was screaming at the projectionist "Focus!! Focus!!" Poor guy had it focused but compared to the RED 4K footage they had just watched the old film shots seemed very soft.

After that story we promptly turned into 8 year olds on Christmas morning and had ourselves the biggest tree-crashing-rip-through-the-wrapping-paper-like-a-tasmanian-devil moment I can remember. Or perhaps that was just me.
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MrDorf said:
I can second this. Though I recall the last line being Spielberg (after seeing the footage) saying "I will be the last person to stop using film, but I will switch", with no specific mention of Red....which is still in itself pretty impressive.
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These are the reasons I love RedUser. Damn!
 
Thomas Mathai said:
Define occasional?

I see it more than occasionally, since at the moment most movies have more film prints than DCPs. I assume there are vfx houses with digital projectors, but probably more with film projectors.

While color calibration may be well established, you're not going to get a true representation of a film print, without viewing a film print. It's always helpful reviewing vfx work projected.
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No, the first post was correct. The vast majority of theatrically released motion pictures - especially studio pictures - are finished via digital intermediate these days. All of the film elements are created from the negative(s) generated by the DI process. Visual effects are integrated directly from files, and color corrected in continuity by the DI colorist.

Color calibration does yield a very, very accurate representation of a film print. If it didn't, DI as a process would not be acceptable and would not have become a rather standard way of working. Of course, such accuracy requires proper calibration, proper equipment, and proper environment. You're not going to get a particularly accurate print preview on a Macbook LCD (no matter what you do), but you are going to get an extremely accurate preview using a 2K DLP Cinema projector that is properly set up in a room that is designed for the purpose, and calibrated with a very tight color calibration pipeline. That environment is something that most of the larger VFX companies have set up, in part because it does indeed minimize the necessity of doing multiple film recordings.
 
spielberg this and that, i'm sick of it.

i'm happy that he's got talent, millions of dollars and crew members to pull it off, but we dont hear much about them do we?

he's got good directing skills, well he's not the only one

he still prefers film, well, thats great, i dont know if we should get him a medal or a chest to put it on...............or maybe a red so he can wake up and smell the
year 2007

spielberg shmeelberg yuuk
 
This "Digital vs. Film" tomfoolery is about as productive as all the globalwarming horseplay in Washington.
 
Joe Taylor said:
This "Digital vs. Film" tomfoolery is about as productive as all the globalwarming horseplay in Washington.
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or global terror... Personally, I plan on shooting more film. Why stop learning when many, many things can still be gleaned from shooting various formats/stocks and applied to your overall craft.

Trust me... I get what makes RED so attractive but it does not mean that we should submarine the rest of the industry or the people who perform at the highest levels on a daily basis... it's bad form-- no matter if some act like pious jerks... let it serve as a great reminder on how not to act.

Some people may give us shit or paint us all with the same brush... just move forward and put that aggression into your work. Life takes all kinds of fuel... use it to move your work and relationships forward. Let the pictures speak for themselves... leave it in the frame and she will speak for you-- no matter if her accent is digital or chemical.

Andrew

(my post was not aimed at anyone here... just a statement on the overall deal)
 
i love the eff you posts. people are pretty candid here, but nowhere near the sheer basement-dwelling anger of aintitcool.com. i always thought, if i could just harness the power of a sneeze. or the fucker that races his ninja motorcycle down my block at midnight EVERY night. or the collective angst of crew members. damn, that stuff would power a city for a week.
 
why do we have to care if spielberg chooses film or not, who cares, if steven wore guess jeans, i suppose we all have to .......otherwise we aint cool. i'll bet you there are hundreds if not thousands of young male and female directors who are better than steven..the only reason we dont hear of them is because they aint got the hollywood connnections, the budget, equipment, crews, studios and distributors like he does..........thats about it
 
Thomas Mathai said:
Define occasional?

I see it more than occasionally, since at the moment most movies have more film prints than DCPs. I assume there are vfx houses with digital projectors, but probably more with film projectors.

While color calibration may be well established, you're not going to get a true representation of a film print, without viewing a film print. It's always helpful reviewing vfx work projected.
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Hi Thomas. Mike Most answered very succinctly, as always. I may have mislead your thought process by not stipulating that its not required very much during the "post-production phase", as opposed to release distribution. Post-production has steadily been moving away from vfx review filmouts (at least in larger post houses) in favour of digital projection for the last few years, once the systems had proven themselves to match film projection pretty precisely. I did my first filmouts for a vfx shot in nearly 8 months this week, everything is normally digital projection until the need to create a film print is an absolute requirement.
 
killfilm said:
why do we have to care if spielberg chooses film or not, who cares, if steven wore guess jeans, i suppose we all have to .......otherwise we aint cool. i'll bet you there are hundreds if not thousands of young male and female directors who are better than steven..the only reason we dont hear of them is because they aint got the hollywood connnections, the budget, equipment, crews, studios and distributors like he does..........thats about it
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case in point. i want to harness your "power."
 
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