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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Spielberg's latest...

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SF Geek said:
Who cares? You fanboys are starting to creep me out with your insanity. Film is not dead, contrary to what many have said on this site. Yes Red is great and one of the highest quality digital cameras, but it isn't Jesus. You don't need to praise it and you don't need to fear if everybody doesn't love it. It's a frickin camera! There is much more to movie making.
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I agree totally with you, I like both digital and film and love to work wth both, nothing to do with being a different breed or whatever, it's a camera, another tool and a good one. In an ideal world both film and digital exist together. Some of the fan-wankery around here gets sickening.
 
CraigWB said:
I myself have encoded some fairly noisy footage in the past with no real problems.
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So have I, and when trying to encoding "fine grain, noise mosquito/compression artifacts etc” than it makes a difference if I grain remove the footage (to an extend). I guess there is many different ways to encode so no need to elaborate any further on that issue.

Anyways, It feels like some of the HD stuff out there have some other issues regards to grain. I for one would love to see that fine grain in a HD movie. Almost there... but not yet IMO (from what I have seen). Only seen something between grain and mosquito noise. I Guess thats better than anything though. Yup, I'm a grain lover.
 
I was at RED Day (on Friday) and here is the story from Jim. If I screw it up too much I'm sure he'll chime in and straighten it out.

Anyway.

Spielberg called RED saying he needed to see "Crossing the Line". So, Jim and co. took the short to Steven in LA and they screened it with him there on his own screen. Steven prefaced the viewing by saying "I will be the last person in the world to switch away from film, I am only watching this today because Peter won't shut up about it." And then they watched "Crossing the Line". Afterwards Steven said "I will still be the last person in the world to switch away from film, but when I do, it will be towards something like RED."
 
I don't think its too much to add:

Jim was then invited to watch a 4K transfer of one of the old Indiana Jones films there with Steven and Jim said that the entire time Steven was screaming at the projectionist "Focus!! Focus!!" Poor guy had it focused but compared to the RED 4K footage they had just watched the old film shots seemed very soft.

After that story we promptly turned into 8 year olds on Christmas morning and had ourselves the biggest tree-crashing-rip-through-the-wrapping-paper-like-a-tasmanian-devil moment I can remember. Or perhaps that was just me.
 
Paul Wizikowski said:
I don't think its too much to add:

Jim was then invited to watch a 4K transfer of one of the old Indiana Jones films there with Steven and Jim said that the entire time Steven was screaming at the projectionist "Focus!! Focus!!" Poor guy had it focused but compared to the RED 4K footage they had just watched the old film shots seemed very soft.

After that story we promptly turned into 8 year olds on Christmas morning and had ourselves the biggest tree-crashing-rip-through-the-wrapping-paper-like-a-tasmanian-devil moment I can remember. Or perhaps that was just me.
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Great story Paul and Congratulations on your new Red Rig... :-)
 
Paul Wizikowski said:
Spielberg called RED saying he needed to see "Crossing the Line". So, Jim and co. took the short to Steven in LA and they screened it with him there on his own screen. Steven prefaced the viewing by saying "I will be the last person in the world to switch away from film, I am only watching this today because Peter won't shut up about it." And then they watched "Crossing the Line". Afterwards Steven said "I will still be the last person in the world to switch away from film, but when I do, it will be towards something like RED."
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Is this for real? :shiftyph34r:
 
CraigWB said:
Look people some DVDs look awful because they have JANK encoding it has NOTHING to do with a grainy source, I've seen Minority report a thousand god damn times and that thing does not have severe noise reduction on it.

Just the act of taking the resolution down from the HD transfer down to NTSC or PAL eliminates some of the grain but you still have the feel of it.

Not only that some films have more or less grain I assume due to the cinematographic process Tony Scott's Deja Vu.

Or another Tony Scott film which I remember to be fairly grainy which turned out fine on DVD is Man on Fire.

I myself have encoded some fairly noisy footage in the past with no real problems.
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Well I'm sure your years of experience as a compressionist comes into play so that you get such clean encodes.

The only thing I know about encoding, is the advice I been given to run the source through a Teranex box or equivalent for noise reduction or/and other image cleanup. It can help speeed up encoding and it does seem that compression algorithms can choke on severely noisey shots.
 
polispol said:
Spielberg is yet cutting with moviola.
Great. Can somebody explain me how they did Artificial Intelligence then?

Option A: Spielberg and Kahn have a powerful imagination
Option B: They transfer every digital effect at work in progress to 35mm.

Option A will be incredible, Option B will be a stupid waste of money.
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I'll sure all the vfx houses that do film outs of their work, would love to know they are wasting their money.
 
karapetkov said:
Is this for real? :shiftyph34r:
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I can second this. Though I recall the last line being Spielberg (after seeing the footage) saying "I will be the last person to stop using film, but I will switch", with no specific mention of Red....which is still in itself pretty impressive.
 
Thomas Mathai said:
I'll sure all the vfx houses that do film outs of their work, would love to know they are wasting their money.
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With digital projection & colour calibration very well established in post houses, there's really only the need for occassional film output as confidence check or for delivery items now. Otherwise I do consider it a waste of money, although its still happens occassionaly that you do "need" to see something on film to see how the fx translates and whether the grain of intermediate stock helps....
 
The reason why red is such a big deal to us is because a starving filmmaker like me that has great story idea's can't afford film, and we get sick of seeing things on some HD 24P consumer camera. We want our story told with film, and red makes this very close and possible. That comment was for those rich fools that can't think outside of the box, and trust me if I could afford it i would shoot on film with a supermodel giving me a massage. Get real people. Like I said before Accept change. It's all about the red.
 
CalicoIce said:
The reason why red is such a big deal to us is because a starving filmmaker like me that has great story idea's can't afford film, and we get sick of seeing things on some HD 24P consumer camera. We want our story told with film, and red makes this very close and possible. That comment was for those rich fools that can't think outside of the box, and trust me if I could afford it i would shoot on film with a supermodel giving me a massage. Get real people. Like I said before Accept change. It's all about the red.
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I'm going to have to disagree to some extent, Great story or not Red One won't save you from bad cinematography bad acting and poor sound design.
I don't mind at all seeing a film shot on a 24p consumer camera as long as it's well made quite frankly thats all that matters to me.
Red is part of the future but it certainly isn't the only future.
 
Photography, is taking decitions, i am glad we finally have a good digital suports, RED (wonderfull and cheap), Genesis and F-23, Dalsa, all of them can be great depending on the proyect you have, diferent colorimetri and you will choose one or another. RED is wonderfull because it makes posible a low budget film to have the greatest cuality for an accesible price ( indi proyects wan´t have excuse for not having a great image).
And we still have good old film for another proyects in wich money and a aesthetical decision will aloud ass to get were we want to go, this is a great time for been a DOP,
It is great to leave at this era, and see a new start.
 
Super 35 Mm Worldwide

Super 35 Mm Worldwide

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BEFOR Red cinema quality Production was only done in Major cities and Only
Big cities Because cine Technology not availabe But there.
Now Anyone Anywhere could have this Technology.and start writting History
With Red..:spidy:
 
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