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Spielberg's latest...

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SF Geek said:
Who cares? You fanboys are starting to creep me out with your insanity. Film is not dead, contrary to what many have said on this site. Yes Red is great and one of the highest quality digital cameras, but it isn't Jesus. You don't need to praise it and you don't need to fear if everybody doesn't love it. It's a frickin camera! There is much more to movie making.
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WELL SAID!

The RED will give many talented people the ability to make feature films and commercials with the quality of any other format without buying or processing or printing a foot of film.

Now THAT is a revolutionary tool in my hands and what RED is all about to me.

I will leave it up to the software to add all the grain and life if I find it lacking.

Thank you RED!

Steve
 
My own theory is that Red will actually extend the life of film as a distribution medium. Most of the world will be on film projection for at least 15 more years.
The great thing is Red and cameras like it are future proofing the content for when it all goes digital.
Digital is cool though, just download from the bird and get ready to play.

The next wave will be on demand new releases into the homes the same way as theaters, but with no box office overhead to deal with. I figure 10 years at the most. And I don't mean DirectTV or DishHD, but a seperate receiver just for new studio releases.
 
zeke said:
The next wave will be on demand new releases into the homes the same way as theaters, but with no box office overhead to deal with. I figure 10 years at the most. And I don't mean DirectTV or DishHD, but a seperate receiver just for new studio releases.
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I really hope not. I mean, I think you're right, but I hope theatrical screenings still have their place. I'm a firm believer in the communal experience of movie-going, and I wouldn't ever want to trade that for an HDTV and VOD downloads.
 
DorkmanScott said:
I really hope not. I mean, I think you're right, but I hope theatrical screenings still have their place. I'm a firm believer in the communal experience of movie-going, and I wouldn't ever want to trade that for an HDTV and VOD downloads.
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On the other hand, if Bird flu/disaster du jour should be all around, it would be nice to still get entertainment without getting sick or dead.:rip_1:
 
DorkmanScott said:
I really hope not. I mean, I think you're right, but I hope theatrical screenings still have their place. I'm a firm believer in the communal experience of movie-going, and I wouldn't ever want to trade that for an HDTV and VOD downloads.
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Theatrical won't go away, people want to justify their high end home theaters and someone will figure out how to help them, hehehe.
Imagine getting a high quality experience the same time as theaters get it.
They could charge 20 to 30.00 a household for 2 views within 24hrs and then it expires. Still less expensive than taking a family to the movies. Invite some friends over, it's still a community experience.
 
The only thing more disruptive to the movie going experience than going to the theater is watching a movie with some friends over. Especially if the movie was chosen by committee and the vote was not unanimous.
 
Spielberg loves organic film, and so do a whole bunch of people including myself. I've got a home cinema, digital projected DVD/HD. But I go to the cinema anyways.. Actually as often as possible. Not becasue of a crapy home setup, but because at the cinema I can view it from an organic stock.

I'm one of those guys who love to see film grain presented. Not to much, but still conspicuous. IMO, Spielberg has a really good point saying that non moving images feels almost alive presented in organic film.

Still, many of us strongly believe that its also possible to achieve this with a RED ONE. It got the dynamic range and resolution. Its not 8bit (thank god). And the footage is compressed in a matter that we can easily work with (not uncompressed nor overly compressed).

RED can easily fake organic film... And I love the sound to that. So lets show Spielberg what we can do with this medium rather than bashing hes work.
 
A long time ago (1990) Mr. Spielberg was thinking about shooting in 65mm.
So Universal built 3 identical sets on a sound stage and Mr. Daviu (sp) lit them all the same way. I brought the camera the company I worked for over to the studio as did Panavision and I believe the third was a Fries Mitchell conversion. Mr. Spielberg came over to where I was unloding our camera and asked me questions about the mechanics of the camera and the lenses (rebarrled medium format still lenses and a couple of Cookes with optical extenders to enlarge the circle of coverage) we had for it. His questions were all intelligent and some surprised me with the depth of his practical knowledge of shooting hardware. I found him to be a very pleasent person to converse with. No ego, no condescending attitude what so ever. So I don't care if he wants to shoot on 8mm and cut with a splicing block and a razor blade, he is a major talent in the making of motion pictures.
Oh yeah, and the highlight of the day was when his wife , Amy Irvin, showed up on the set. She kinda made me loose my train of thought for a moment or two. LOL Some may say if you throw enough money at a film it can't help but be good. Well we should all know that's not true. And remember that Jaws was not a very big budget film and IMHO it can be viewed over and over.
Just my 2C
 
I agree - Spielberg is a very shrewd practitioner - and has influenced cinema beyond pretty much anyone by this stage.

Apropos of Mr. Daviau - I thought his period with Spielberg produced the best looking and "feeling" Spielberg films - ET and Empire of the Sun are films in which the photograohy is still something I marvel at and learn from. I enjoy Kaminski's histrionics as a cameraman but find his stuff a little immature (as though learning the craft of cinematography (too much smoke and bleach bypass and dior stockings and skinny shutter and front of lens diffusion and exposure riskiness- too much of everything all round - all the stuff you do whilst learning and "showing off") - Daviau has both restraint and class. He's a storytelling cameraman IMHO. All this BTW is just heartfelt personal opinion - Kaminski has been Oscared - so "who are you to criticize"... etc. but I always loved the Daviau look. It is, to me, timeless. I don't feel that it will date much.

I still think the Japanese pilots going out to die in Empire of the Sun - all shot at magic hour is stunning stuff. His interior lighting in ET is extraordinary and beautiful - watch the scene where Elliott shows ET the star wars figures (all several stops down - try metering that ) - subtle and great but beautiful.
 
Humans are social beings, "zoon politikon".

There's a sharing and communication element in moviegoing. Yes, there are annoying things in the theater, but deep down inside, people want to get together, they want to share and be a part of a larger community - this is social instinct.

In the cinema they (un)consciously get that thing, although being anonymous.

So, there is this kind of psychology in going to the theater. Consciously or unconsciously you want to be a part of the crowd.

Home cinemas are getting better and better but they'll never really get that community element. Unless you invite 200+ people to your apartment :).

And even technically, home cinema can never be the same experience. That huge screen and the fine acoustics of a theater, you can never get that at home.

Home cinema is evolving, yes. But it's "home". The real thing will always be in the theater.

And there's something disturbing about all that digital and computer stuff. It has tremendous advantages but it also gets people alienated. More and more we're staring at computer screens but not into each other's eyes.

Charlton Heston said: "Internet is for the lonely. People should live."

I think he's right and there is something disturbing about the way things are going. "Virtual insanity".

Life is something else... and you shouldn't lose that... one shouldn't lose the fresh air, literally and figuratively...

Hmm...

Things like RED still rock, though :).

Maybe you can't have everything - you win something and you lose something.

My 2 cents...

P.S. I'm going out for a walk :).
 
chuck colburn said:
A long time ago (1990) Mr. Spielberg was thinking about shooting in 65mm.
So Universal built 3 identical sets on a sound stage and Mr. Daviu (sp) lit them all the same way. I brought the camera the company I worked for over to the studio as did Panavision and I believe the third was a Fries Mitchell conversion. Mr. Spielberg came over to where I was unloding our camera and asked me questions about the mechanics of the camera and the lenses (rebarrled medium format still lenses and a couple of Cookes with optical extenders to enlarge the circle of coverage) we had for it. His questions were all intelligent and some surprised me with the depth of his practical knowledge of shooting hardware. I found him to be a very pleasent person to converse with. No ego, no condescending attitude what so ever. So I don't care if he wants to shoot on 8mm and cut with a splicing block and a razor blade, he is a major talent in the making of motion pictures.
Oh yeah, and the highlight of the day was when his wife , Amy Irvin, showed up on the set. She kinda made me loose my train of thought for a moment or two. LOL Some may say if you throw enough money at a film it can't help but be good. Well we should all know that's not true. And remember that Jaws was not a very big budget film and IMHO it can be viewed over and over.
Just my 2C
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Great story about Spielberg! I've heard many times before that in spite of his high position, the man has no big ego at all. You clearly see this in the way he dresses and behaves in public also.
If you don't mind, i've copied this quote (with your name) at the spielbergfilms.comù forum (board for spielbergfans).
 
sidderke said:
Great story about Spielberg! I've heard many times before that in spite of his high position, the man has no big ego at all. You clearly see this in the way he dresses and behaves in public also.
If you don't mind, i've copied this quote (with your name) at the spielbergfilms.comù forum (board for spielbergfans).
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He even gives his friends fashion tips...

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km9000 said:
Ok, heres a paraphrasing of his latest quote:
--quote from Spielberg to Quint on the set of Indy 4,
from aintitcool.com http://aintitcool.com/node/34376

What do you think? I dont think he's seen RED. :angry02: I know we've talked about it before...but still... :angry02:
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He has always said this about digital capture. Why should he change the way he makes movies if he likes the look he gets now. There are probably hundreds of directors out there who agree with him - so what?

I think RED is far and away the best alternative to chemical cinematography yet - and it can shoot in place of film and create any look you want - including grainy soft film looks.

All this without transporting tons of light sensitive material around in cans, looking at a piss poor video image on set, etc etc etc.

In the end, the RED is only a camera. The best of it's kind right now, but artists make movies.

IMO
 
karapetkov said:
Humans are social beings, "zoon politikon".
And there's something disturbing about all that digital and computer stuff. It has tremendous advantages but it also gets people alienated. More and more we're staring at computer screens but not into each other's eyes.

Charlton Heston said: "Internet is for the lonely. People should live."

I think he's right and there is something disturbing about the way things are going. "Virtual insanity".

Life is something else... and you shouldn't lose that... one shouldn't lose the fresh air, literally and figuratively...

Hmm...

Things like RED still rock, though :).

Maybe you can't have everything - you win something and you lose something.

My 2 cents...

P.S. I'm going out for a walk :).
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I don't agree with it being bad in any way. It's all what you do with the technology. I embrace technology in every way to enhance my experiences not hamper them.

I think the art of letter writing was extinct until 'email' was invented. Deeper thoughts, better communications - I love that.

This camera will allow more of us to bring more beauty or whatever we want, into more homes easier than ever before.

And that guy who stays home on the internet instead of going out in the real world, would probably have stayed home and played cards a century ago too :-)

IMO of course.
 
You can see the chemical process after effects and even if nothing else is moving, the film has a life.
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print out your red footage and you'll have that chemical movement he talks about!
 
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