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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Spec change...

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Jannard said:
As we have said countless times, "specs can and will change". I have made the decision to make the body more "tank-like". It will be much more stout and bulletproof. The consequence is that it has gained a pound or so. We are not likely to meet our original goal of under 7 pounds. Somewhere around 8 lbs. is more accurate. I am sure that it is worth it. We'll publish a final weight in a few weeks after we make sure there are no more changes.

We promised to keep you posted... just so you know.

Jim
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Just as long as it's not as big as a Dalsa. Now that's a tank:D
 
Red Oz said:
The Canon XLH1, with far less features, weighs 8.3lbs fully loaded according to Canon's website. We've used the XLH1, and with extra accessories, it's definitely more than 8.3lbs.
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This comparision isn't fair. Are you counting the Red camera full loaded? Nope.
 
yeah.. apples with oranges.. dalsa.. xlh1.. you're there.. :D

Red Oz said:
And just for comparison, the Dalsa Origin, another 4K camera (4096x2048) weighs 35lbs. The Canon XLH1..
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Gordon Prince said:
This comparision isn't fair. Are you counting the Red camera full loaded? Nope.
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No it isn't because the Red is not an HDV camera, does not record to MiniDV, and a whole host of other reasons, reasons for which we were attracted to Red in the first place.

I know what you're saying: ideally, perhaps, it would be better if the camera was lighter, and maybe one day soon technology will advance such that the features will not be bound by size requirements. It will move in this direction as it has in the IT world (Intel recently successfully tested an 80-core processor of a size similar to today's Dual Core for example, and at 100W too).

But bottom line is that for the feature set, and if delivered as we expect, it will be pretty incredible for its size. In other words, whatever perceived disadvantages, there are more advantages to Red so far.

Additionally, on another note, consider the advantages of some extra weight (provided ergonimics are in place): it keeps the camera steady. One reason home movies look like home movies is because of how light consumer cameras are and the predisposition of every person who has one to swing it around helter skelter. Vacation videos and birthdays give us nausea for a reason. Both Robert Rodriguez and Scott Billups, for example, have brought this point up before.

Question: Is an extra pound or two reason enough to abandon Red?
 
filmmaker's gang said:
yeah.. apples with oranges.. dalsa.. xlh1.. you're there.. :D
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My point exactly: can we even compare Red to 1/3" cameras anymore? No, we shouldn't except by way of how we are going to upgrade, adjust, and account for the new workflow Red will provide us.

I brought up the Dalsa because it is a 4K camera. I brought up the XLH to also bring up a point that there are 8lb 1/3" cameras afterall.
 
filmmaker's gang said:
eheheh.. a helium balloon cam would be a great invention.. maybe you should look for a place among the red team.. if jim will find a lazy job there for your skills.. :confused:
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Just hang tightly onto it when you take accessories off or change batteries, or you could see your new RED floating off into the sky!! :D
 
Red Oz said:
Because seriously, this isn't a 1/3" camera afterall. Although it may be true that many 1/3" camera users will upgrade to Red, weight is not the only issue they have to account for anyway.
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Maybe our first worry? Most of us don't have a crew behind.
 
Red Oz said:
And therien lies the challenge of an open discussion during product development I guess. Can't please everyone.

I still think Red's size is just fine, even compared to 1/3" cameras ;)
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exactly.. there's no complaints here.. just points..

size is fair.. lightweight too..
 
just wondering, using the RED zoom on the flyer ? if it's approx. 8 pounds; you'd need more than the steadi-flyer anyway. (15 pounds max. weight) - add a mattebox, LCD, filters, follow focus etc... 1 pound added to the cam is inconsequential, IMO... personally i wouldn't buy a $15K steadi cam and not be able to use zooms on it. the archer is a better choice...

making a cam like a tank -> rugged, stands up to environmental factors is much more important than a pound or two. they get one shot at a first impression.
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
*Speculation alert*

I can't help but wonder if there was an "incident" while testing the prototypes that led them to conclude it needed a stronger casing? :D
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very much doubt it.

they've got a lot of field testing and benchmarks to meet.

good thing they're out to make the 'best" cam for the cake they can... nothing goes from the drawboard to production without changes. this seems like a case of pride in craftsman ship more than anything else...
 
Appleton said:
just wondering, using the RED zoom on the flyer ? if it's approx. 8 pounds; you'd need more than the steadi-flyer anyway. (15 pounds max. weight) - add a mattebox, LCD, filters, follow focus etc...
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it'll be difficult to go w/ Flyer.. changing plans..
 
Blair S. Paulsen said:
*Speculation alert*

I can't help but wonder if there was an "incident" while testing the prototypes that led them to conclude it needed a stronger casing? :D
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My baseless speculation was that they need either more or an alternative cooling system which neccesitated enlarging the body.
 
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