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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Spec change...

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My 35mm Wall (Mitchell competitor around WW2, an ENG camera of the day, so to speak) has these instructions in the original Signal Corps manual for destroying it in case the enemy was approaching...

1.) Remove movement.

2.) Insert gernade.

3.) Close door and run.

Glad to see RED will be a solid camera.
 
i'm all for the RED looking different. it is different, might as well look it.

one quick question though: did you literally mean bulletproof? not that i plan on shooting my RED (or getting shot at for that matter), but talk about durability...
 
chas said:
thanks for the update. it feels so strange to be able to view the development in such detail.
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Indeed. And I agree with insanityfw, as well. My bet is: this CARE with us coming from the part of Jim, made my decision, my confidence in him as my provider. That's why I'm relaxed on the future hassles. I have my own belief Jim feels what we need.

Of course, there are distinctive needs over here. If for some the weight is not a problem, for others it is. Handheld work, small crews, etc etc etc. My safety, our safety (for those who need it!) -- Jim is there, taking care on and in our own behalf.

Paying attention to the detailed one pound, this proves it. It says a lot of what we can expect as RED customers and deserves applause.
 
I'm afraid there will be a lot of 1/3" owners behind this new camera.
 
Users that are used to 1/3" cameras may consider trying to get their hands on a 35mm camera before the RED ONE ships. Even if all they do is swing by a rental house and look through a camera for a few minutes, actually seeing "high end" equipment and looking through the viewfinder can be invaluable. Maybe try and get a few people together to fund a short film test. At the very least... spend a lot of time on wikipedia. This may be a subject for another thread...
 
Yep.

I'm a 1/3" guy here... I know I'm not alone. But I'm in a position where the 1/3" cameras just don't offer what I need and I find myself renting 2/3" (mostly Varicam) to do a lot of projects. Rental fees are eating me up and it makes more sense for me to own a Varicam or Sony XDCAM or something in the $35K range. That means *USED* Varicam or an XDCAM with one, maybe two decent lenses. RED is offering me a whole lot more camera for what appears to be less money (I know, subject to change at any time).

I personally know a couple other reservation (not all on this forum) that are coming over from 1/3" cameras (XL1/2/H1, HVX, JVC HD10/100, etc..). Financially it makes sense. Considering capabilities/features it's mind-blowing.
 
I guess I should add that I have used 16mm film equipment before (although several years ago). I realize there will be a learning curve, but that goes with learning any new hobby or trade. I'm ready and will be signing up shortly.
 
To be a 1/3" guy doesn't mean not to be a film guy at all. All my education was made there but I prefer the video versatility. I and many others. That's there where we all can find the Red market. Who prefers the small handheld light easy form, instead the typical film stlyle shooting.

Doesn't mean we wouldn't handle with this. Only we just don't want to.
 
How large a helium balloon would I have to tie to the camera to make it seem to weight nothing? Would a weather balloon do the job?

Yeah, I'm a little lazy, but at least I'm inventive.
 
Finner said:
Because other then the aaton minima I dont know of a single 35mm camera that is smaller or lighter then the red. The kick in the head was when I used the minima I could only get 200 foot mags (just over 2 minutes). Maybe they have bigger mags for it now?
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The Aaton A-minima is super 16 format, and a great camera. A 200' mag gets you a bit over five minutes at 24fps. It will forever be limited to 200' mags, as the design is intrinsic to the camera, and it uses special flexible-flange loads from kodak.

In small/light 35mm, check out the new Aaton Penelope, as well as the Moviecam compact.

Cheers--

Mark Lyon
 
Lowkus said:
How large a helium balloon would I have to tie to the camera to make it seem to weight nothing? Would a weather balloon do the job?

Yeah, I'm a little lazy, but at least I'm inventive.
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eheheh.. a helium balloon cam would be a great invention.. maybe you should look for a place among the red team.. if jim will find a lazy job there for your skills.. :confused:
 
eheheh.. a helium balloon cam would be a great invention.. maybe you should look for a place among the red team.. if jim will find a lazy job there for your skills..
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There's a rig like that in a book I have called "Killer Camera Rigs you can build"

You can check it out here

-Stephen
 
This is great news. I've always thought RED should go for a more film camera form factor, meaning it shouldn’t be as tall as it is now and much wider. The lens mount should be set lower on the body as well. Blocky rather than long.
 
This spec change is fine by me. And in all honesty, for the features offered in this camera and at this pricing, the Red Team can go ahead and change specs to their heart's content if it means a better camera overall. I'll adjust.

Because seriously, this isn't a 1/3" camera afterall. Although it may be true that many 1/3" camera users will upgrade to Red, weight is not the only issue they have to account for anyway. Raw workflow, different lenses if you're used to fixed lenses - as most 1/3" cameras are fixed - manual focusing, editing requirements, etc.

And just for comparison, the Dalsa Origin, another 4K camera (4096x2048) weighs 35lbs. The Canon XLH1, with far less features, weighs 8.3lbs fully loaded according to Canon's website. We've used the XLH1, and with extra accessories, it's definitely more than 8.3lbs.

In the end, I too agree that ergonomics will be the deciding factor on how this weight spec change will affect us. As always, keep up the great work.
 
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