Sony's lawsuits against RED

[Rehan K]

Hmm, Maybe they licensed it from RED, or I think they will get a heavy law suit. .

Why would they license it from Red? CinemaDNG is open file format that dates backs to 2008.

I put my money they don't pay Red a penny for CinemaDNG.

And yes it's compressed RAW and it's 4K.

Where is the Red lawsuit now?

 

[Felix K.]

Bruce... you have little to no knowledge of the history of the invention apparently. And while you certainly have the right to your opinion, patent and trademark laws are to protect all sorts of rights. If you come up with a unique story and a large company reads it and takes it from you, you just might find that you would have a change of heart. No one wants to donate their work. And asking me to talk about the history behind the scenes on this forum is not going to happen.

I love your work and your ideas, I just don't agree that everything ever created should automatically become public domain. That would discourage all creative thought and taking risks to produce.

Additionally, RED pays many companies royalties to use patented technology.

Jim

I like Jim's opinion here. The thought that someone maybe also wants to protect their work in order to make it the best possible before the market is destroyed by copycats cheap solutions that are maybe 60% as good but much cheaper because the development costs did never exist for them. (Sorry about my English, I'm quite tired today).
For me it's like writing a great script and then putting it online while I produce the movie watching how others will copy it and it's about who is the first in the theaters and not who made the best movie... who wants to see the same story again after having watched a bad version of it... *ramblin a bit*

Just my 2c...

 

[Daniel Pitta]

sony was already

 

[Jean Maurizio]

It's ridicolous that Sony sue Red, for the Red One, in 2013.
What this is means?
Are they so gentle and kind people to let it go for all these years, and now they sued (also) for R1? (No more sold by Red)
Bad move for Sony, where were they when some Peter Jackson, Sodeberg and many others did shoot blockbusters with R1?
This is not smart at all, if i would be Sony'advocate, i never would refer to Red One in their lawsuit.
Kind of losers strategy. (For losers i refer to their lawyers, Sony is Sony, hats off, because we talk about modern history here).

 

[Björn Benckert]

Why would they license it from Red? CinemaDNG is open file format that dates backs to 2008.

I put my money they don't pay Red a penny for CinemaDNG.

And yes it's compressed RAW and it's 4K.

Where is the Red lawsuit now?

Cinema DNG is an old format, but how you compress the signal going into it can be done in many different ways and I understand Jim has kind of locked the possibilities in that field for everything above 2k and onboard camera recording.

As Jim is a successful inventor, and all ready been around the blocks of eyeglasses with successfull inventions and patents, I'm pretty sure he was running a tight ship when he invented the R1 and made sure to secure every patent possible and as you can see at nab he did not exactly stop there.

For example, anyone one camera manufacturer that now tries to make a camera that has something even close to the "motion mount" will most likely get the same kind of letter that sony got... why would Jim not try to protect his investments? When everyone else does it, He had to buy the company that makes the glas for the motion mount, if patents was not around they would probably not been bought but copied instead.

 

[Pablo Moreno]

Cinema DNG is an old format, but how you compress the signal going into it can be done in many different ways..

That's precisely the point Björn, is an old format invented before Red, and can be compressed in different ways (DNG, TIFF, JPEG etc).

DNG was invented by Adobe, and Cinema DNG is a different beast, that is encoded using that DNG image format, which is basically nothing but a sequence of images.

I don't think Red invented that, do you?, and, as far as I understand, Red Raw is based on Cineon.

If Blackmagic licensed with Adobe, there is no way in the world that Red can sue on that, even if it is 4K.. After all, what is 4K?, is not the same as 14 megapixels?.. any good lawyer can convince a judge, just by changing some terms.. who knows..

 

[Antony M]

They needed something to say at NAB after they disappoint like usual. I hate Sony so much, I owned two of their cameras and both suck pretty bad

Really?

My Sony camera (and the ones I have rented) have worked flawlessly (and with no bugs) ever.

Both my Red One, when it was about a year old, and currently my Red Epic are being repaired.
And I am being charged for these repairs without Red being willing to tell me what the fault actually is.