Something New....

[Steve Sherrick]

Yeah, $3900 is what'll take to get my Red using these. And then I've just made my 4x 16gb cards unusable. Great. I really want to love SSD, I do. Just having to spend $3900 to make all my current media worthless on my Red is kinda sucky. Though, I wonder just how user swappable the SSD vs CF is.

Now this may be too late. But what I was really hoping for, was something in the form factor of the RedDrive that was a bay that took SSD. Best of both worlds. Was that considered? The drive port should be plenty fast enough, should be a matter of proper pin wiring and such.

I think you have to pick your poison here. CF, although amazing for what RED was able to squeeze out of it has been a bit of a hindrance. Capacity was just never there. And limitations, especially with 8GB cards. Although there is a hit to move up to SSD, I think in the end, it's the right move for RED. I'm glad it is a module that becomes part of the camera. I can't hang any more stuff off the R1. It's too much. I like the idea of streamlining it. 256GB of storage with minimal impact on camera form factor, that's a good thing. It does mean saying goodbye to CF for the most part. Like swapping lens mounts, you're not going to want to do it too often I would think.

 

[Steve Sherrick]

and this is where the incredibly fast offload rates of the cards really comes in handy...

I'm definitely excited about the faster offload times. That will be huge.

 

[Shawn Nelson]

I think you have to pick your poison here. CF, although amazing for what RED was able to squeeze out of it has been a bit of a hindrance. Capacity was just never there. And limitations, especially with 8GB cards. Although there is a hit to move up to SSD, I think in the end, it's the right move for RED. I'm glad it is a module that becomes part of the camera. I can't hang any more stuff off the R1. It's too much. I like the idea of streamlining it. 256GB of storage with minimal impact on camera form factor, that's a good thing. It does mean saying goodbye to CF for the most part. Like swapping lens mounts, you're not going to want to do it too often I would think.

I hear you. Dont get me wrong, I'm TOTALLY excited by the tech of all of this. I fucking LOVE the idea of recording 64gb to a single card in one go. I just wish this media upgrade wasnt going to cost as much as the MX upgrade (well, if I get 3x cards that is). I notice that all of my questions/comments have been ignored, so I dont think comments that invite product changing suggestions are desired. Which is fine, I guess new product posts sorta get me back in the 'suggestion giving' mindset that Jim thanked me for back in 08/09, but I dont think that's really wanted anymore. Or maybe it is, I dont know. I'm tired. Jarred, I hope my tone hasnt offended you, new tech always gets me going and I love you guys. cheers.

 

[Steve Sherrick]

Yeah totally agree, I think 2x of the 64gb is the barebones config, always gotta have redundancy in the field. 3x would be best. In fact, I wonder if Red would do a 3x bundle right off the bat.

64gb at best data rates on the Red1 should be what, about half an hour of shooting time?

Yes, it's 30m BetaSP territory. I can deal with that. a 3x bundle would be nice. I'd go for that.

 

[Alex Boothby]

I think you have to pick your poison here. CF, although amazing for what RED was able to squeeze out of it has been a bit of a hindrance. Capacity was just never there. And limitations, especially with 8GB cards. Although there is a hit to move up to SSD, I think in the end, it's the right move for RED. I'm glad it is a module that becomes part of the camera. I can't hang any more stuff off the R1. It's too much. I like the idea of streamlining it. 256GB of storage with minimal impact on camera form factor, that's a good thing. It does mean saying goodbye to CF for the most part. Like swapping lens mounts, you're not going to want to do it too often I would think.

Well said. All true!

 

[Jarred Land]

Sorry Shawn... I missed your questions?

 

[Paul Nordin]

It does mean saying goodbye to CF for the most part.

Keep the CFs for the 5Dm2 you hand to an assistant for behind the scenes footage! :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Steve Sherrick]

I hear you. Dont get me wrong, I'm TOTALLY excited by the tech of all of this. I fucking LOVE the idea of recording 64gb to a single card in one go. I just wish this media upgrade wasnt going to cost as much as the MX upgrade (well, if I get 3x cards that is). I notice that all of my questions/comments have been ignored, so I dont think comments that invite product changing suggestions are desired. Which is fine, I guess new product posts sorta get me back in the 'suggestion giving' mindset that Jim thanked me for back in 08/09, but I dont think that's really wanted anymore. Or maybe it is, I dont know. I'm tired. Jarred, I hope my tone hasnt offended you, new tech always gets me going and I love you guys. cheers.

I'm sure it's all good Shawn. Got to ask the questions when you're running a business. Can't buy blindly. I respect that. In RED's defense, I'm sure they are at the point where they need to get stuff out the door. It won't meet everyone's needs, but got to get moving on shipping cameras and accessories.

 

[Jarred Land]

Keep the CFs for the 5Dm2 you hand to an assistant for behind the scenes footage! :smilewinkgrin:

Or the Scarlet

 

[Steve Sherrick]

Or the Scarlet

Good point. See, always a way to keep things from being obsolete.

 

[Paul Nordin]

Or the Scarlet

but of course!

 

[Shawn Nelson]

Sorry Shawn... I missed your questions?

okay cool, i just wanted to make sure I wasnt rubbing you the wrong way. because I am very excited to see Red head the solid state direction!

I'll rephrase and summarize.

1. In light of Red ending CF development past 16gb, it doesnt seem to make any sense with Epic every shipping with any form of CF module, let alone CF as the default option. Is this still under consideration? Why would a majority of people want to use 16gb cards on Epic, when they cant even use a lot of high datarates from Epic on them?

2. Just how 'user swappable' is the Red1 SSD module? Is this a 10 second 1st AC swap, or more like a 10 min clean environment careful swap?

3. Could you guys do a 'startup bundle' of like: Red One SSD module, 2x (or 3x) 64gb, Red SSD reader and base station?

 

[Steve Sherrick]

Jarred, thanks for giving us the scoop on this tonight. It really does help with planning purchases over the next few months. Got all of the information I needed in terms of media options. Good stuff!

 

[Shawn Nelson]

Jarred, thanks for giving us the scoop on this tonight. It really does help with planning purchases over the next few months. Got all of the information I needed in terms of media options. Good stuff!

ditto!

Thanks Jarred for foregoing sleep to let us in on the workshop!

 

[Eirik Tyrihjel]

And for those who don't have to worry about money:
RED Station 1/8" - $250
1.8" SSD Side Module - $1500
(4) 256GB 1.8" REDMAG - $12,800 (3 mag changes, keep media on drives until next day)
Total - $14,550

Well, you might add another RED station, need a spare one... this isn´t going to be cheap, but hopefully no more recording errors ever again. And 5k @ 120fps on Epic - is a beauty! With SSD slot on the Epic brain we can scrap a recording module, and save a bit there both weight and money.

We could always hope for a package deal, buy 3 x 256Gb cards get the fourth for free ;-)

Now bring on EPIC!!!!

 

[Tobias Straka]

Great stuff! So how much weight does the module add compared to the CF-version? And what form factor are the drives? 5mm? 8mm? And I assume they're somthing like 50 grams (drives)? Not that this really matters, but hey, I'm curious

 

[Gunleik Groven]

Keep the CFs for the 5Dm2 you hand to an assistant for behind the scenes footage! :smilewinkgrin:

The Scarlet or a Nikon still is a better idea for the 16 GBs. They wouldn't format on Canons here...

 

[Kevin Olsen]

Or the Scarlet

Can the Fixed lens scarlet support this side module? It looks to be about as long as an Epic and can support the length of the 1.8" SSD from what I can tell.


If not, is the 1.8" back module still in the pipeline so that we may add SSD to Scarlet?

KO

 

[Jarred Land]

Great stuff! So how much weight does the module add compared to the CF-version? And what form factor are the drives? 5mm? 8mm? And I assume they're somthing like 50 grams (drives)? Not that this really matters, but hey, I'm curious

8.5mm Cards. The difference in weight between the two modules is negligible.

 

[Tobias Straka]

8.5mm Cards. The difference in weight between the two modules is negligible.

That's what I thought, thanks