Some new changes...

[Emanuel A.]

I had planned on the Premium Production Pack too. I just hadn't ordered it yet.

Bobble

Same here and with lots of rez holders that I know. Maybe Jim and the gang should consider leaving the Premium pack open for Rez holders as an option and see how many of us snaps 'em up... just a thought.

More than a real option, this would be a true fair offer.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Not even Peter Jackson was in a need of Premium Production Pack and he did "Crossing the Line". Basic is enough for the beginning.
Have a look at the picture below.

 

[Steven Parker]

I think when you see what has changed, you will change your mind. Just my opinion.

Jim

Now see, this makes me think the Production Packs have merged and become something a little more than "Basic plus parts"...

I was planning on a premium pack; the basic pack is too thin, the premium a little bit overkill... I bet Spain and Chicago had some influence on this:shiftyph34r:

 

[Tim Lüdin]

I was also going for the ppp. I always liked the handles, they kinda protected the camera and you could put a thousand things on them.

I'm sure the new rig will also be fine. The RED team won't make their cam worse. As long as you can mount a lot of stuff on it, everything will be cool.

I'm sure we will all be surprised, when we see the new version.

Ah yeah, and congrats for this big achivement today. The cams are leaving the house. RED team I salut you.

Cheers

Tim

 

[Hrvoje Simic]

Also sorry about the PPP.
(not about Point to Point Protocol or Pakistan Peoples Party)

But...something tells me we're not loosing anything. Just recombining.

 

[Gordon Prince]

In fact, there's a poll running and asking the Premium Production Pack:

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4070

 

[Eric Maran]

I definitely think as larger productions (especially action films) adopt the Red, the premium production pack is gonna come in really handy.

 

[Peter Karlsson]

I thought about ordering the prem pack aswell.. I haven´t ordered any accesories yet, since I think much will change until my camera ships, so when my camera is ready, I'll place an order for the xtra gear. So please dont get rid of the prem pack! It just looks too cool to be without..

 

[Adrian T.]

I also wanted to go for the premium production pack. Bummer! :bye2:

 

[Ken Willinger]

I haven´t ordered any accesories yet.

I think a lot of us with higher res numbers have waited on accessories because we are so far down the line...there was no reason to make decisions yet. My plan had also been for the PPP. I'd still like it.

 

[Greg M]

You guys had you chance to order the PPP...shame on you for not doing it.
Jim asked us to place our orders so he could gauge production. I ordered the PPP and placed a deposit...but it appears the majority of you who are complaining failed to send Jim an order as he requested, so he saw little demand.
As long as we can order the parts though, its really no big deal.

 

[Adam C Lubkin]

Why's everyone complaining when we haven't even seen the list of parts/prices yet? For all you know, you'll be able to piece together the equivalent of the premium pack for less $ than it's listed for.

 

[Miltos Pilalitos]

..but it appears the majority of you who are complaining failed to send Jim an order as he requested, so he saw little demand.

Since not everyone enjoys the same financial comfort in this forum you should realize that it would be much easier if we could place a preorder for the accessories without having to make a second deposit for them.

I too, was going for the Premium Production Pack but since my turn comes in January, i was waiting a little bit more.

 

[albert rudnicki]

I'm sorry. My idea is exactly on opposite. The most part would be interested on the Premium Production Pack.

Why not just wait and see
You may be getting the same for a lot less!
Patience
Cheers
Albert

 

[Craig Schober]

ppp

ppp

Hey, I'm sorry but some people need to think twice before complaining the way they do in this thread.:angry03:

I know Jim is a big Boy and doesn't need me to defend him, but I just can't let pass this kind of accusations like it's a normal thing on a board like this.

Hey jack seriously… Do you think the guys at Red need this kind of comments after all the hard work they've put up to offer us such a bargain of a camera.
I think it's time you relax a bit and do a reality check. When was the last time you got a chance to have such a close look at the development of such an extaordinary product.
Why don't you go and chat with sony or panasonic or arri's executives.
If you ain't happy or feel uncertain about this company's honnesty, by all means get your money back and stop bringing such accusations to this otherwise friendly and sincere board.

I can't believe I didn't even call you names:huh:

i don't see anything wrong with complaining about last minute changes. i think the red team would agree that this forum serves more as a sounding board for ideas and constructive criticism than a cheerleading squad for all of their decisions. honesty is a two way street. red has been straight with us so why shouldn't we let them know what our idea of fair is.

i planned on ordering the ppp but never pre-ordered because i'm expecting to be contacted by red very soon anyway. in the end, i believe many others also planned to purchase the ppp but didn't put in their orders for one reason or another. maybe it's our fault for not being more proactive but it seems that red underestimated costs of this item and couldn't justify their production run with the amount of pre-orders that were made for it. fair enough. i think the entire project development and ordering process was and still is a little confusing and that didn't give red an accurate depiction of demand for things like the ppp. i just hope things don't change for other accessories that i care much more about like the red drive or the lcd.

anyway, now people are coming forward to express their opinions and intentions for ordering so i hope it creates a more accurate picture for red to anticipate future production offers.

 

[John Wee]

YES ! to ala cart accesorries

 

[Don King]

Why not just wait and see
You may be getting the same for a lot less!
Patience
Cheers
Albert

Ah the youth! Sigh

Unfortunately, I have no more your age... My sweet sixteen are just memories... (with the due respect) :mail1:

 

[Steven-Marc C.]

Nobody wants to spend more, but if the accessories were generally underpriced, there is nothing much to be done about it except raising the price. Nobody wants Red to be losing money and put its business at risk. If that happened we would all be losers in the end. I think Jim's offer to keep the Basic Pack at the same price and offer the possibility to order extra parts as we need them is the best compromise we could hope for. This is not fan-boy talk, this is reason.

 

[Johnny Friday]

NOW THAT'S HONESTY!!!

....I'm all for Jannard and RED being up front and telling us they underestimated the cost/resale of the premium prod. pack. That's friggin honesty!! NOW TO BLAST them for it.....wow, that's some pelotas you got their! GRANDE in fact.

....seems like pure open development and Jim just being honest with the RED community. If that's the case and they underestimated their costs---I'm all for RED making a profit---I KNOW I WILL!!

...Great thread and keep em coming RED team. Can't say more about you guys making this new technology accessible for guys like me....and I DO want you to be profitable and keep the profits revolving back into the company to keep the new technology flowing----THANKS AGAIN!!

 

[garageman]

I have already placed a deposit on the premium production pack, so even though it is now discontinued, will my order for a premium production pack be fulfilled?