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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Some good 1080P news...

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Jannard said:
We value everyone's comments and needs. We are here to serve. It may come in a package we hadn't planned on. But this whole project has taken on a life we hadn't forseen in the beginning.

The good news is we have interested customers. And the good news for our customers is that we really want to satisfy their needs.

Jim
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allright, I have had it with all this pandering to the "customer needs" you guys are entirely too nice to us, I feel like I will wake soon from this dream of
harmonius customer/vendor relationship a find the same crap we get from most vendors.


If more companies did business this way we would all be way too happy.
that cant be good.
 
Phil Bates said:
Jim, we're obviously excited about your desire to improve the camera and change specs to meet demand, etc. However, being an empathetic business owner, I am concerned that your cost of goods is going up as well. I hope you feel free to adjust pricing to match features (for the future, obviously) and charge what you need to keep the company healthy. We want you around a long time not burned out or draining your personal resources. :)

Phil
www.artbeats.com
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shhhhhhhh maybe they won't notice they have not changed the price but increased the camera's value ten fold..
 
A 25fps question:

I assume that the 24fps limit is due to data rates and not being able to guarantee anything higher when recording to on-board storage. I'm assuming this as 1-60fps at 4k will be available through the RAW port - so currently the camera at least 'understands' how to do 25fps.

It seems like it's not recommended to hold our breath for 25fps at 4k recorded on-board this year.

Which makes me wonder...Is 25fps to CF or Drive a disabled function in software (so not possible without upgrade) or will it be enabled but physically impossible to work due to current data rates? This is important as 25fps may be possible IF we had media guaranteed to be fast enough to cope.
 
Jannard said:
My mistake... from the actual post, you can see we are not getting much sleep.

Here is the list for today:

4K REDCODE RAW @ 1-60 fps to RAW Port
4K REDCODE RAW @ 1-24 fps to Compact Flash or RED Drive

2K REDCODE RAW scaled @ 1-60 fps to Compact Flash or RED Drive (Under development)
2K REDCODE RAW cropped @ 1-100 fps to Compact Flash or RED Drive

Don... my recommendation is that you rent something else.

Jim
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Please, for all of us europeans try to squese in 25 fps 4K RC RAW!

Jesper Holmström
Dagsljus Filmequipment
 
This is excellent news! A "custom" RED firmware depending on your personal/business needs. I don't need 720p or 1080p if 2K scaled @ 60p to CF card is possible, but I'm glad that the option might be available for other users who do need it.

Very smart move.
 
vidalsosa said:
Don doesn't seem like he really cares about renting, buying or whatever. He just wants to take a dig at Red, I think.
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You think wrong. Your in your own. It's sunday but I just have time to play with my kids. End of story.
 
Jim, could you make a computer application where we can make all the settings in advance? Then upload them via SD card or USB to the camera. This could be a feature in redcine. Then we could work out different settings for different work and not using the camera for all the setup. EVF viewings, outputs, audio, preview curves and everything else. Easier to work in a computer and we can get curve settings from previous takes in redcine to add into the camera for the preview output.
Great job by the way. Amazing!
/Christian
 
Mr. Jannard,

I'm not sure if I well understood your last answer.

But it seems 2K REDCODE RAW scaled @ 1-60 fps to Compact Flash or RED Drive is under development, so you can't know where it will be available, right?

But will 2K REDCODE RAW cropped @ 1-100 fps to Compact Flash or RED Drive be available during 4Q, right?

I'm used to buy 2/3" gear where the AUDIO is a feature. However as I said, I'll begin to rent at and as first glance. May I have this feature with my rental camera?

Jannard said:
My mistake... from the actual post, you can see we are not getting much sleep.

Here is the list for today:

4K REDCODE RAW @ 1-60 fps to RAW Port
4K REDCODE RAW @ 1-24 fps to Compact Flash or RED Drive

2K REDCODE RAW scaled @ 1-60 fps to Compact Flash or RED Drive (Under development)
2K REDCODE RAW cropped @ 1-100 fps to Compact Flash or RED Drive

Don... my recommendation is that you rent something else.

Jim
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Don King said:
Mr. Jannard,

I'm not sure if I well understood your last answer.

But it seems 2K REDCODE RAW scaled @ 1-60 fps to Compact Flash or RED Drive is under development, so you can't know where it will be available, right?

But will 2K REDCODE RAW cropped @ 1-100 fps to Compact Flash or RED Drive be available during 4Q, right?

I'm used to buy 2/3" gear where the AUDIO is a feature. However, as I said, I'll begin to rent at and as first glance. May I have this feature with my rental camera?
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Don... With all due respect I'm not sure you have been reading all the posts but I strongly urge you to rent another camera for your project. If you have more questions, the answers are in the posts from the past three days.

Jim
 
Thank you for the answer, anyway. I'll check it. My only doubt is your "subject to change" policy which can change everything. Actually, we'll have our own 2/3" gear there. I'd just like to have yours where I can test the digital 35 mm capture and confirm my interest on my order.
 
only in america would don king talk back to rocky

and i think we all remember rocky uppercutting lucius sweet onto that hood

all in favor to have don king removed from the forum say "only in america":weight_lift:

Best Jim Quote ever.
"Some people are going to analyze the shit out of the RED ONE and some are just going to shoot some great stuff.

Jim"
 
Don, the issue I think you're missing here is that Red is doing things that haven't been done yet. Thus it is safe to say that it is very difficult to forcast any timeline. It's not just about time and labor. It's also about working out bugs and unforseen issues. If Red is ready in time for your production, then rent it. Listen to Jim when he says don't make specific time plans. He's not saying that to be coy.

As of now, the first Reds will ship with 4K Redcode Raw up to 24fps. I'm not sure what framerate you'll be able to get up to with 2k windowed Redcode Raw, but it should also be available. As for recording formats, there will be Red drive, Red Ram, and compact flash. Anything other than that will come at an unspecified later date.
 
SF... you are correct, but it is even a bit more complicated than that. We are now looking at reworking the architecture to accommodate the future of two builds. It might put us back a few weeks on the initial feature set. It shouldn't hold up the 1st release, but what was going to be in that release might change. I won't know exactly until we sit down tomorrow and lay it out. Good news is long term most will get what they want. Bad news is a lot more work on the front end for us right now at "Crunch Time".

Jim
 
I understand. I'm just asking. Audio...and if there's any idea on recording modes in any way other than as 24 fps.

In Europe, we're working with 25 fps.
 
Something I don't understand. Please tell me what I'm missing, but why not capture in 4k, and have a far, far more valuable legacy format for your archives. Cut in ProRex, output 4k as your master. Then do a down rez from there. I mean, the only reason I can see why anyone would give a shit about 1080p is if they've invested in lenses or they prefer the generous depth of field. It just makes MUCH MORE SENSE to have 4k. Whatever you're shooting, music videos, documenary, theatrical - pretend you shot in in 35mm, but you're delivering whatever is needed. It adds value to work.
 
Gbabymogul said:
I thought the 1080p discussion was pretty professional on all sides. Insofar as this announcement, it's a cool compromise to losing 1080p. But, it's sort of like if you had a reservation on a revolutionary Mazerati that could switch from auto to manual, and then the manufacturer says that they're switching to manual, and may include the auto when they finish everything else. Customers thank the manufacturer for the privelege. Huh ?

Aaight, I get that we are gettting a much better camera than when I first put my reservation money down, and i fully appreciate ALL the benefits (price, design etc...) since I've been here since the first mention of the camera. Yet, I consider myself a realist. This is a compromise to a design step back and not an advancement, IMO. In that regard I appreciate the openess and honesty of RED and the whole team. Still on board. Enthusiastic to see the camera perform, and i hope we can get a specific schedule on updates (except for 1080p, 720p) before Sept. Obrigado.

Just me 3 pence :biggrin:
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Add a few more pence from me for this post. Pretty much sums up how I feel on all sides. Definitely appreciate everything the entire RED team is doing, and I'm looking forward to the future. Here's to hoping August 30th comes off without a hitch.
 
Dale Launer said:
The only reason I can see why anyone would give a shit about 1080p is if they've invested in lenses or they prefer the generous depth of field.
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Scaled 4K gives you no more DOF than shooting 4K does. Most of us like a scaled option because it offers higher framerates. I prefer scaled 1080 to scaled 2K because it provides a sharper finished picture in 1080. I don't think many people will be finishing to 2K, and either one will look the same cut back into a 4K timeline.

It's not "all about slow motion," but that is my main motivation for wanting a scaled option.
 
Thanks

Thanks

Jim,

Thanks for the update. Personally, my issues are the frame rate at 4K redcode raw and a way to do quick and easy edits on the road (travel footage). Either case, good luck with your launch.

Neil
# 529, 530 and some lenses
 
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