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Smallest Shoulder Rig for Epic/Scarlet?

Another vote against the Cavision. Even basic things like loosening the rod clamps require allen keys which are located in awkward spots. The shoulder pad is just solid plastic and extremely uncomfortable, and almost everything is made of plastic and finicky. It is simply not a professional tool.
 
I always suggest taking a look at Berkey Systems (www.berkeysystems.com) for components. I'm putting an underslung shoulder rig together through him. Quality is on par with 3Ality, prices are on par with Redrock. Check him out.
 
ProfNoxin said:
I always suggest taking a look at Berkey Systems (www.berkeysystems.com) for components. I'm putting an underslung shoulder rig together through him. Quality is on par with 3Ality, prices are on par with Redrock. Check him out.
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I'm thinking of something similar. Would love to see pic's when you get yours put together.
 
Still struggling with this decision also. I need bang for buck and I don't need to impress clients so I'd thought seriously about the cavision shoulder pad, as the potential flexibility mentioned is exactly what has appealed to me most, and I can live with the plastic build quality as long as it's sturdy. But as also mentioned, I'd reasoned that I would have to drill into the shoulder piece and attach some counter weight and also line the shoulder pad and was thinking of attaching this to a Zacuto universal baseplate... But I emailed with Ryan at WC this week and they have their 19mm base coming out any day now, so that's well and truly worth staying posted for.

Damn but I wish I lived In the US near B&H or Filmtools sometimes!!

My other first thoughts had all been foiled, shoulder pad coupled with easy riser XL with two times LW 15mm brackets... no room for LEMO cable. Underslinging looked good, but no go with the height of my WC quickback and switronix V mount...

And so on it goes... Can't wait to see more of peoples solutions, below the 1K mark.

Best

Lliam
 
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I have that cavision rig. The shoulder pad is not good for a properly balanced rig and I don't use it, and the rods are different sizes and made of fiberglass which is easily scratched and I would worry about cracking with heavier rigs. The baseplate as mentioned requires an allen key to remove or adjust mounted rods.

On the other hand, the grips are solid and the baseplate is low profile and not bad if your rods live on the baseplate. For the price, it is still a good value if all you use is the baseplate and the grips like I do. You can hardly get a 15mm baseplate for that price let alone one with reasonably good grips, and I'd take those grips over many of the other budget-priced ones since in my experience Redrock grips slip, zacuto grips break, whereas those cavision ones are pretty solid and easy to adjust with rosettes. Only issue with them is they could probably be a bit stronger since the three screws that hold the rosettes in place can become a bit loose, tighten them like crazy when you get them and they shouldnt be much of a problem though.
 
Filip Vandoorne said:
handheld handle is an old SR handle.
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Awesome, thats exactly what I've really been wanting to do. how is it mounted? is it pretty comfortable with that rig? I've been looking at ergonomic handles and it seems like the only options around are 16SR handles and maybe ones from medium format cameras but those might be tough to mount and adjust properly.
 
Noah Yuan-Vogel said:
the only options around are 16SR handles.
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an aaton handle is similar and it seems that Vocas will also make one that is based on the same design. fixing the SR handle was with a Cavision part where i added a Arri-formfactor rosette, Allstar sold those to me and they are really well made. I would have liked to use the new RED rosettes, but they are not arri-compatible and the have a square extrusion which makes them difficult to bolt on another piece. As the SR-handle was arri-rosettes, it was easier for me to modify the cavision part.
 
Lliam Worthington said:
Still struggling with this decision also. I need bang for buck and I don't need to impress clients so I'd thought seriously about the cavision shoulder pad, as the potential flexibility mentioned is exactly what has appealed to me most, and I can live with the plastic build quality as long as it's sturdy. But as also mentioned, I'd reasoned that I would have to drill into the shoulder piece and attach some counter weight and also line the shoulder pad and was thinking of attaching this to a Zacuto universal baseplate... But I emailed with Ryan at WC this week and they have their 19mm base coming out any day now, so that's well and truly worth staying posted for.

Lliam
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The ActionProducts SwivelMounts allow for all sorts of new mounting options, including the ability to mount our Battery Module right on to the top of the Razor ShoulderMount.

Just wanted to list this option since you mentioned possibly drilling into the shoulder pad for a counterweight. We also have SwivelMounts for 15mm and 19mm rod setups.

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+1 against Cavision. Weak locks. Have used this mount years ago with different cameras- even after custom reconfiguration never found them comfortable enough.
 
Indi System have some decent components for really cheap prices. It's not the greatest but works when on a shoestring budget.

;DFDooley
 
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Dustin Dooley said:
Indy System have some decent components for really cheap prices. It's not the greatest but works when on a shoestring budget.

;DFDooley
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Intriguing. Not really looking at there Rig's so much as individual accessories. I like there prices. Thanks for sharing.
 
Justin R Goff said:
The ActionProducts SwivelMounts allow for all sorts of new mounting options, including the ability to mount our Battery Module right on to the top of the Razor ShoulderMount.

Just wanted to list this option since you mentioned possibly drilling into the shoulder pad for a counterweight. We also have SwivelMounts for 15mm and 19mm rod setups.

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Thanks Justin, I had already looked at your products. BIG fan. Fantastic aesthetic and an easy decision if I didn't need to pinch my pennies quite so much.

Best

Lliam
 
We got the clutch but I find it hard to put in balance when using big / front heavy setup. Then this is the smallest rig possible and it's super convenient, slides in balance and works much better than you ever could think.

it's this:

http://www.red.com/store/products/dsmc-quick-release-platform-packn

plus this:

http://www.red.com/store/products/auxiliary-support-pad



Then you put your right hand on the side handle (or focus, or FF nob) and one on your rods. This is atleast with big heavy lenses a way better solution than using the whole clutch as it was intended as it then gets to front heavy.

As the pad is screwed on to the dovetail you can slide it back and forth to get in balance.
 

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Another cool thing...

A nice way to mount the EVF now when we soon have image flip...

Top handle with a rosette to nato, a nato to 19mm, a short 19mm rod, another 19mm to nato, another nato to rosette mounted onto the evf...

Then you have the EVF perfectly aligned with the camera hanging upside down in comfortable eye level.
 

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The lightest, strongest and most often used rig on sets is the ET Mantis. In my opinion its the gold standard.

Get an ET or WC bridge plate and the ET Mantis and you're set.

Buy the best, cry once. ;)
 
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Basically. If you have to place anything more than a battery on your rig as a counterweight then you're doing it wrong. A proper shoulder rig should be light, comfortable and configurable enough to find a balance without any additional parts.

In no universe is adding 10-15lb plates to the back of a rig considered professional.
 
Paul Schneider said:
Basically. If you have to place anything more than a battery on your rig as a counterweight then you're doing it wrong. A proper shoulder rig should be light, comfortable and configurable enough to find a balance without any additional parts.

In no universe is adding 10-15lb plates to the back of a rig considered professional.
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Well, the little red pad does it all it's actually (strange enough) more comfy that the real red shoulder pad and having it mounted on a dovetail makes it slide to get in balance. Then moving over to a tripod is just as easy as removing the dovetail with pad. The upside down mounted EVF gets in perfect position and sits super sturdy on a 19mm rod ( just have to wait for the new build with the flip option to make it work properly) Also having the Touch mounted sideways with the ability to fold sideways makes it much easer for the Ac to look for focus etc.
 
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