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Josh Birch

Josh Birch

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Hey Guys,

In the market for a new slider for my Scarlet-W and would love to hear some recommendations.

I previously had the Syrp Magic Carpet slider, but I just couldn't get a smooth slider out of it (despite the weight being within the payload capacity)

Something around the 1m mark would be good.

Thanks,
Josh
 
I've been very happy with my 4-foot stainless steel Rhino Slider, there are some good accessories available for it too (Flywheel, Rhino Motion). Rhino Motion is rather simplistic in its capabilities, but gives you basic motorised sliding at an affordable price. All in all been a very solid slider!
 
Dana dolly all day

so cheap just try it
 
I have both the Kessler Pocket Dolly (back when it was called the Phillip Bloom version) and recently purchased the edelkrone Slider Plus, which is a good step above:

https://www.edelkrone.com/p/138/slider-plus

Works well with my Weapon with still lenses. Make sure for some good 100mm tripods if you want to use its full range. It has a very clever design and extends beyond regular sliders. And ends up also benefiting slide in an out shots.
 
I think the Omni slider is under rated. Both in performance and price. Its joystick and moco hand control is the best I seen. And the construction can be cut to length and applied to far more things than only being a slider. Its super strong, takes a camera of 40kg at quite fast speeds.

Also its a good option to start with the slider and then if wanted add focus, pan tilt etc.

Just did this film with it.

https://app.frame.io/f/5a7c26d5-c05b-4e79-a206-1d5d4a742c5f

Super nice to be able to just stick it trough the cabin of the truck and roll and be able to take seperate passes for green screen, no greenscreen etc that is dead on identical with the repeat moco feature.

Also nice to be able to make a move and then shoot the same move at 1/4 of the speed or such with lowered frame rate to up exposure for background plates and such. And it got a built in trigger thing so it can trigger your red frame by frame if wanted together with a buch of other stuff, flashes, additional cameras and so on.

The great thing with it is that you make the smoothes hand controled moves with it. Second to none, no joke.


I sound like a sales person but no I actually got this from a client / DP friend of mine that bought it and never used it so he gave it as a gift to me when his budget was short on a project. I did not think much of it until I needed a timelapse slider a few years later and kind of fell in love with it.
 
Jake Wilganowski said:
Dana dolly all day

so cheap just try it
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I've used the Dana Dolly and am quite happy with it but as someone who often works with a small kit (small enough to fit in a Lyft or Uber) doing corporate work, I really wish there was some sort of packable rail solution. Have you seen/used anything like that?
 
I have the Matthews Dutti Dolly and I love it! Might be overkill though, the case on its own is a heavy beast.
 
Sergio Perez said:
I have both the Kessler Pocket Dolly (back when it was called the Phillip Bloom version) and recently purchased the edelkrone Slider Plus, which is a good step above:

https://www.edelkrone.com/p/138/slider-plus

Works well with my Weapon with still lenses. Make sure for some good 100mm tripods if you want to use its full range. It has a very clever design and extends beyond regular sliders. And ends up also benefiting slide in an out shots.
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Hi Sergio,
From all the videos and reviews of the Slider Plus, it is not clear to me if you can actually put a 100mm ball head on it? it looks too small and flimsy for that to be honest.

Operating tilt and pans while doing a slide move is a must for me, I found that only the Dana Dolly (which I use most) or similar designs could do this properly.
The only "regular" slider I've used that could be used almost like a Dana dolly and is rock solid is the Ronford baker.
 
Oron Cohen said:
Hi Sergio,
From all the videos and reviews of the Slider Plus, it is not clear to me if you can actually put a 100mm ball head on it? it looks too small and flimsy for that to be honest.

Operating tilt and pans while doing a slide move is a must for me, I found that only the Dana Dolly (which I use most) or similar designs could do this properly.
The only "regular" slider I've used that could be used almost like a Dana dolly and is rock solid is the Ronford baker.
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Hi Oron,

Definitely not a heavy 100mm head on top. I was talking a 100 bowl tripod legs or similar sturdy legs due to its extending design. I use an equivalent (as in Chinese counterpart- I live in China) to a satchler DV8 head 75mm and it works great. its very smooth, comes with two types of chord- one for manual operation and one similar to the pocket dolly for motor ( and their clever mechanical steady module) use.

I'm using it with the heavy manfrotto 100mm legs I use with a crane directly mounted to it without a head. Sounds clumsy and less portable but it warrants the maximum smooth slide range. As you could see it has a clever design that extends for both sides and this gives a bit of strain and balance issues to not so heavy legs. I tried to mount it on top of the DV8 and it would lean a bit on both extremes. I do have a Arrow Head and some CF Miller Solo legs but never really tried it on this setup. Can't comment on that. On the ground this thing works like any other slider and doesn't extend- similar range to my PB Pocket Dolly

What I like about it is that the guys engineering it seem really clever. The smooth chord provided is really miles ahead to the "dented, geared" chord I had with the Philip bloom, which manually is very, very hard for slow, smooth moves with a tilt head. This one works great. Add to that They have an interesting add on for manual operation called the "Steady module" which works with their "geared chord" that is very, very simple in design but it does work wonderfully for manual operation. As for the motor I also bought it but confess I haven't tried it yet. Their app was recently upgraded so will try to check it out. Seriously thinking on buying their automated tilt and pan head but it only takes DSLR's. I have a 1Dx mark II so it should be interesting for certain hyper lapses.
 
Kyle Jones said:
I've used the Dana Dolly and am quite happy with it but as someone who often works with a small kit (small enough to fit in a Lyft or Uber) doing corporate work, I really wish there was some sort of packable rail solution. Have you seen/used anything like that?
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Kessler makes a what they call a Kwik Rail System, although it’s not very cheap ($250 for two 42” Rails). They do sell a Travel Kit version which has 14 rods and a case. It’s priced out at $1,950, which is the same amount you’d pay if you bought it all separately, since they sell the case for $200.

At the cheaper end, Glide Gear makes a 12 ft Track for $197 that can be packed up into the carrying case that comes with it. The provided spacing with it could definitely be a little bit off for dolly use though cause it’s sort of meant to be used with a second thing they make that lets you mount a thin tripod to it.

Both fairly similar in concept, only one is a lot better engineered. That’s not to say that the track Glide Gear makes is completely awful though. If you got the spacing you need, it could potentially work. You do need to screw the pipes together with either a tool or by hand, which can take time to do. And the soft case seems to work decently from my use with it.

I think that sort of represents the two different ends of the spectrum for packable rail. I know there’s some videos on YouTube of the Glide Gear track that might show what I mean with having to screw it in and the default spacing you get with it. And for the Kwik Rail, the video on Kessler’s site shows it fairly well.
 
Sergio Perez said:
Hi Oron,

Definitely not a heavy 100mm head on top. I was talking a 100 bowl tripod legs or similar sturdy legs due to its extending design. I use an equivalent (as in Chinese counterpart- I live in China) to a satchler DV8 head 75mm and it works great. its very smooth, comes with two types of chord- one for manual operation and one similar to the pocket dolly for motor ( and their clever mechanical steady module) use.

I'm using it with the heavy manfrotto 100mm legs I use with a crane directly mounted to it without a head. Sounds clumsy and less portable but it warrants the maximum smooth slide range. As you could see it has a clever design that extends for both sides and this gives a bit of strain and balance issues to not so heavy legs. I tried to mount it on top of the DV8 and it would lean a bit on both extremes. I do have a Arrow Head and some CF Miller Solo legs but never really tried it on this setup. Can't comment on that. On the ground this thing works like any other slider and doesn't extend- similar range to my PB Pocket Dolly

What I like about it is that the guys engineering it seem really clever. The smooth chord provided is really miles ahead to the "dented, geared" chord I had with the Philip bloom, which manually is very, very hard for slow, smooth moves with a tilt head. This one works great. Add to that They have an interesting add on for manual operation called the "Steady module" which works with their "geared chord" that is very, very simple in design but it does work wonderfully for manual operation. As for the motor I also bought it but confess I haven't tried it yet. Their app was recently upgraded so will try to check it out. Seriously thinking on buying their automated tilt and pan head but it only takes DSLR's. I have a 1Dx mark II so it should be interesting for certain hyper lapses.
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Sergio, Thanks a lot for detailed answer, the design looks very clever and I wish the design one that you could put a head on top, for me any slider that you can't put a decent tripod head on is basically useless..and most sliders you can't, hence why I hardly ever use a slider :-) and only use a Dana dolly or similar.
 
I have worked with a lot sliders. In my opinion in this range kessler cineslider is de best.
I have sacrlet-w with zeiss cz 28-80 which are quite heavy and the cineslider work very smooth.
 
The new Syrp Magic Carpet Pro looks fantastic. I have ordered the medium version for my Scarlet-W so when I get it I can write here what's what with it :)
 
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