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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Skyfall Trailer

Strange look on the "colourfullness" - it's all very saturated and "orange". A bit noisier than I expected. Some really nice lighting and I loved the landscape shot with the car. Interesting to compare and contrast with the Great Gatsby trailer which is beautifully saturated too, but more neutral on the palette.

Graeme
 
Another parade of oversaturated blue eys...
 
Graeme Nattress said:
Strange look on the "colourfullness" - it's all very saturated and "orange". A bit noisier than I expected. Some really nice lighting and I loved the landscape shot with the car. Interesting to compare and contrast with the Great Gatsby trailer which is beautifully saturated too, but more neutral on the palette.

Graeme
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Most of the films lensed by Deakins tend to be on the warmer side in terms of color palette. Many of the saturated shots take place in the Asian locations they used. Having traveled there myself, I can tell you than the look is pretty spot on. Cities like Hong Kong are uber saturated in terms of color and it should clash pretty heavily with the cool neutral look of London and the more earth-toned Instanbul. I love the mix personally.

In terms of noise, it looked pretty clean to me. A lot of the noise could be the encoding for the Apple trailer. Most trailers look pretty noisy online. Compare it to the Prometheus trailer which looks a bit noisy to my eye but I'm sure it will look great on the big screen. Plus the Alexa is known for being pretty solid in low light.

I also saw the Great Gatsby trailer and something looks way off to me. I don't think it is the Red Footage but the extensive use of CG which totally takes me out of it. The opening shot looks unbelieveably fake. and many of the other shots just seem way too artificial to my eye.

Honestly, I'm not sure if it is the cameras of the production design. Another film that has this problem is Gangster Squad which was shot on the Alexa. These digitally shot period pieces just don't look good to my eye. The image is too clean and it the use of CG cityscapes is painfully obvious.

Is it just me or do these shots look awful?


Gatsby 1


Gatsby 2


Gatsby 3


Gatsby 4

Any thoughts?
 
Graeme Nattress said:
Strange look on the "colourfullness" - it's all very saturated and "orange". A bit noisier than I expected. Some really nice lighting and I loved the landscape shot with the car.
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Agree on the landscape. Skyfall looks like Alexa skin tones as usual. Generally filmic looking but... not quite there. Also, I consider it desaturated, not saturated. Then a wash of color added. Subtle stuff comes across in the faces but overall it has that yellowy Alexa color. Not sure how much of the real scene is just hidden behind that Alexa Straw... as usual with digital, the stuff shot in soft daylight (the CU of "we're going to kill them first) is the standout.

Graeme Nattress said:
Interesting to compare and contrast with the Great Gatsby trailer which is beautifully saturated too, but more neutral on the palette.
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Neutral?

Gatsby looked like lots of fun and quite beautiful in a singularly weird way - but the colors are not neutral! They're really weird and wonderful. I think they did a great job with what RED can do with skin tones - just took some of the oddnesses and ran with them. But you have pink, pink plastic faces in a lot of the shots.

Neither look anywhere near as natural in terms of colors as the stuff shot on film, IMHO.

Come on Dragon!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Andrew Rieger said:
Most of the films lensed by Deakins tend to be on the warmer side in terms of color palette. Many of the saturated shots take place in the Asian locations they used. Having traveled there myself, I can tell you than the look is pretty spot on. Cities like Hong Kong are uber saturated in terms of color and it should clash pretty heavily with the cool neutral look of London and the more earth-toned Instanbul. I love the mix personally.

In terms of noise, it looked pretty clean to me. A lot of the noise could be the encoding for the Apple trailer. Most trailers look pretty noisy online. Compare it to the Prometheus trailer which looks a bit noisy to my eye but I'm sure it will look great on the big screen. Plus the Alexa is known for being pretty solid in low light.

I also saw the Great Gatsby trailer and something looks way off to me. I don't think it is the Red Footage but the extensive use of CG which totally takes me out of it. The opening shot looks unbelieveably fake. and many of the other shots just seem way too artificial to my eye.

Honestly, I'm not sure if it is the cameras of the production design. Another film that has this problem is Gangster Squad which was shot on the Alexa. These digitally shot period pieces just don't look good to my eye. The image is too clean and it the use of CG cityscapes is painfully obvious.

Is it just me or do these shots look awful?


Gatsby 1


Gatsby 2


Gatsby 3


Gatsby 4

Any thoughts?
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I thought the same thing. I know Baz is very stylized but these stuck out in a not so good way for me. Ill await judgement till I see it in the theater.

Skyfall looks amazing, and I'm a Bond fan since I was 8 and started collecting with Dr. No. I'm also a fan of Deakins so it's a win win for me. Don't care what camera it's shot on.
 
My thoughts on those stills.

Brad Webb said:
Also, the release date for the movie isn't until December 25th. Some, if not all of the VFX shots in this trailer are probably not finals. They're in good enough for trailer, but there could be several layers of detail rendering that needs to be done. Many times a VFX shot will be in a rough cut of a trailer that has only had very basic work done to it, and isn't scheduled to be finished for months. Then once the trailer is close to being picture locked for finish that VFX shot gets moved to the front of the line and rushed to be done in time for the trailer.
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Andrew Rieger said:
Honestly, I'm not sure if it is the cameras of the production design. Another film that has this problem is Gangster Squad which was shot on the Alexa. These digitally shot period pieces just don't look good to my eye. The image is too clean and it the use of CG cityscapes is painfully obvious.

Any thoughts?
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Well, Gatsby looks definitely more stylized (I'm not sure if that's the right word for this), but personally I kind of expected it, it's a Luhrmann film after all. I remember having the same reaction to some shots in the Australia trailer, but when I got to see the movie those didn't bother me at all, it was the story that just didn't work quite well (for my taste).
As for the "period film" shot digitally, I kind of agree with you, Andrew, but I'm not sure if it's because of the technology or more specific choices made my the filmmakers. The final look of the picture is influenced by so many different things that I'm sure the Gangster Squad "style" (as well the one in the new Hillcoat movie, "Lawless", or Gatsby, or even Hugo) was a deliberate choice, not a "side effect" caused by this or that camera. I was watching the trailers for Affleck's Argo (shot by Rodrigo Prieto) and Ruby Sparks (lensed by Matthew Libatique), and even though those were shot on Alexa, they can't look more different than, say, Gangster Squad, just like Gatsby, Spider-man, The Hobbit, and Prometheus look quite different from each other.
Maybe I sound like a broken record, but that kind of proves that in the right hands, the choice of camera is more irrelevant than what you may think by reading on the internet.

Oh, and by the way, the Skyfall trailer looks absolutely stunning, IMHO.
 
i found the cinematography incredible too! the grade is stupendous each cut in that trailer is to something really special, the colour is stupendous. I was interested myself and found this, and with a bit of research it seems Arri alexa was used mostly.

i spot a Arri M here in the 2nd picture down. http://007skyfall.com/skyfall-set-photos/
i was also at pinewoods over the summer and got a peak at the Train wreck set and saw Arri Alexas being used
http://007skyfall.com/skyfall-set-photos/
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Gatsby looks neutral not so much in the colorimetry but in the white balance - no orange tone to everything. Skyfall trailer is a lot of orange/blue.

Graeme
 
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Amazing how they can f.... up a trailer like this. Looks extremely poor: Crushed shadows and highlights, aliasing artifacts, over saturated and over sharpened.
Take the 1080p Quicktime from Apple. Look at all the dip to black transitions, frame-by-frame, an look how much latitude is coming back in the highlights, it's amazing how dull and one-dimensional this transfer looks.

Love Deakins work.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
I don't see why people keep saying the trailer is over-saturated when half of it is somewhat desaturated.
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+1.

For a while I was thinking that a lot of people either perceive color very differently to me.

Now I'm beginning to think that they just haven't been trained to use correct terminology to clearly articulate what they are seeing.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
David, it definitely looks very saturated throughout the trailer on the monitors I have watched it so far (Probe calibrated, but LED backlit)
 
Anders Holck said:
Amazing how they can f.... up a trailer like this. Looks extremely poor: Crushed shadows and highlights, aliasing artifacts, over saturated and over sharpened.
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Where can you detect any aliasing artifacts? Did you watch the 1080p version at Apple?

David Mullen ASC said:
I don't see why people keep saying the trailer is over-saturated when half of it is somewhat desaturated.
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People are so used to desaturated looks that they think it's oversaturated when it's in fact neutral.
 
Much of it definitely looks desaturated to me - particularly all the day sequences. Some of the night Hong Kong (?) shots look quite saturated on the oranges though (probably influenced by the production design and lantern mimicking lighting just as much). Quite reminiscent of In Time - desat day, deep orange nights.
 
Adrian T. said:
Where can you detect any aliasing artifacts? Did you watch the 1080p version at Apple?
People are so used to desaturated looks that they think it's oversaturated when it's in fact neutral.
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Yes. Its quite obvious in some places.

Well. Was just so exited to see the teaser trailer, that I got bummed over the bad image quality of it. But thats how trailers look online, It will look amazing in the cinema.
 
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