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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Size matters...

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Alexander Nikishin said:
Even though it would be more compact with the battery mounted bottomside, the smartest mounting position would still be the back due to the front heavy oritentation Red would have with a PL or still lens mounted.
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Sure, but mounting on back would require attachments I thought? I was talking strictly most compact configuration, with compact prime lens.
 
Mounting the battery on the bottom of the camera would raise the lens even higher from the operator's eye. Since the lens is already fairly high on the body, I don't think it would be a good option. Many operators will likely mount the camera upside-down to lower the lens.

As for seeing what the batteries look like, see the attached photo. That's the Mini-RAID close to the body and the battery V-locked onto it.
 
Hopefully, the Red Rails will enable you to create a Zacuto type of rig to balance out the camera for handheld work. I guess we'll have to wait and see what's possible once the Red team has a chance to finish out their product. I keep wondering what it will look like once all the batteries, cables, viewfinder etc. are attached. The rig in the above picture looks pretty decent for tripod work.

Let me put on my flame suit for a moment. OK, there , it's on.

I find it interesting that the Sony is scorned here despite the fact that it's a tried and true form factor for lots of different types of work, especially handheld. Anyone who thinks it's ugly, old, unfashionable and has not gone out and shot for for an extended period of time (i.e. lots of long days on the run in a variety of shooting conditions) should try one out. All the buttons/switches are right at your fingertips, it's easy to adjust all the controls that matter and you can shoot a rock steady hand held shot. Plus there's room for your wireless mics, on-camera light, shotgun and batteries (all using industry standard connections). Guys have been making their living off of these "ugly" cameras for years, so perhaps a little respect for a proven design is not unwarranted.

Granted, Red appears to be a great solution for digital filmmaking using traditional film methods, there's no denying that. I also think the flexibility in configurations will be interesting to explore. Certainly the value proposition makes it worth a serious look relative to the available choices that we shooters/filmmakers are going to have.

I guess the point is that even though the marketing photos are nice eye candy, I think taking a wait and see attitude and keeping some enthusiasm in reserve is not an unreasonable POV.

Hopefully, this post won't land me in the "don't sell one to this guy" list. Even though I haven't been "drinking the kool-aid", I'm still rooting for this camera to be a success.
 
RED puts Zacuto modularity to shame. Here's another one of the images that was posted a while ago.

You can mount stuff anywhere you want. Weight distribution problems? A thing of the past.
 
LMG Video said:
Hopefully, the Red Rails will enable you to create a Zacuto type of rig to balance out the camera for handheld work.
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For hand-held work I think the Red team will definitely create something more user friendly, compact and quicker to assemble/disassemble than Zacuto's, atleast I dearly hope so.
 
Brook Willard said:
RED puts Zacuto modularity to shame. Here's another one of the images that was posted a while ago.

You can mount stuff anywhere you want. Weight distribution problems? A thing of the past.
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All that mock-up is missing is a shoulder pad.
 
I think you'll find a tiny (and dark) shoulder pad in the image.

P.S. - thanks for the OConnor 1030 tip, Alexander. Found one on ebay for $3000.
 
Brook, I don't see why Red Rails couldn't be set up like a Zacuto, definitely not rocket science. The picture you posted however looks awful in terms of ergonomics. That is not setup for on-shoulder shooting. For example, the grips in that pic will be nicely pressed against ones collarbone and not out where they need for control. Where's the evf? Where's the monitor? Where's the lens and mattebox? Is the Red body right next to your head and are there going to be any wires sticking out there? What about on the other side? How will you start and stop your shots? How well balanced is it going to be once you have it loaded up?

The way the Zacuto has the camera offset by moving the batteries, wireless and HD well behind the camera seems like a reasonable solution to me. The devil is in the details my freind and marketing pictures of a half completed product don't tell the whole story. I'm looking forward to seeing what the brainiacs at Red come up with, they seem like a pretty smart bunch.
 
Don't criticize, fantasize

Don't criticize, fantasize

LMG - you are so right and so wrong at the same time - nice work :D . You need to trust that the guys doing the design of the RedRail have worked with many kinds of cameras, including ENG (I have owned a Sony D30 for 9 years myself and it has many strengths) and have carefully evaluated the Zacuto system. Many of us posted about the handles and I feel confident that the ability to reposition and reorient the handles will be part of the final design.

Perhaps you should take that critical mind of yours and post a wish list for the RedRail. All along there has been a commitment from the Red Team to make a rig that is highly customizable. While the camera body is getting close to a final design the RedRail could still be tweaked. Rather than taking potshots at the renders be part of the process. I plan to do lots of EFP and even some ENG work with the RedOne and firmly believe that I can set it up to be an excellent tool for those situations.
 
LMG brings up a good point that hasn't been discussed much. How long before the general broadcast industry realizes this is also the best, most affordable 1080x60p camera on the planet. Even more so since one can use high quality but affordable s16mm lenses instead of digiprimes? How long before someone creates a live switcher that will convert 1080x60p at 10bit 4:2:2 video stream to what ever is needed in real time for broadcast? (Is that Jims' secret for NAB?)

So what if you have to 'window' the chip. Price/performance will beat all current competitors for high end broadcast situations.

Joe C.
 
zeke said:
Even more so since one can use high quality but affordable s16mm lenses instead of digiprimes?.
Joe C.
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Hi Joe,

Whilst quality S16 lenses are cheaper than digiprimes they are probably more expensive than lenses for 35mm cameras. One of the reasons I own 3 x 35mm cameras but no S16mm equipment.

Stephen
 
B4 u get carried away

B4 u get carried away

There has been talk of a B4 lens adapter for RedOne. S16 lenses are fine optically but the feature sets of modern video lenses are widely prized. The ability to use B4 mount lenses would speed adoption by broadcasters, AV cos. and others into hardline applications. I have even suggested what I call an "EFP pack" that would provide industry standard interfaces between the RedOne and hardline infrastructure. All of this may require 3rd party rigging but I agree with you - the price performance proposition will entice a much larger group than just the digital cinema crowd.
 
Blair, I think there are some issues with using standard SD/HD video lenses designed for 3-chip cameras on single chip cam like Red or the SI-2K.

BTW, I wasn't taking "potshots" at anybody. I'm just trying to think through the real world issues involved in adopting this camera and how it fits into the production workflow. I'll save my wish list stuff for after the product is shipped, feature creep doesn't help anyone wanting to see this thing get released. Besides there's no shortage of 'wishes' here.

And a note about the 'broadcast world", from the other forums I frequent, Red isn't really on the radar as much as a 2/3" HD XDCam to replace their aging D600's. I doubt you'll see many Red's shoot the 6 o'clock news anytime soon. Given Jim's marketing savvy, I'm sure there will be a RedNewsTruck in the tent at some point ;-).
 
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