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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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I am really thrilled right now.
Back when the first rumors about RED surfaced I was hooked. Back then I was just starting filmschool - in Germany that is.
Since then I started my own Production Company centered around the idea to own an EPIC. First I planned for a Scarlet, but as time and changes went by we realized how great we could use the EPIC and that this is the camera we need.
So after years of yearning to own one of these babies today we finally came up with the resources to finance an EPIC-M! I just sent in the inquiry, so let's hope that we get accepted to the program!
I really really appreciate the RED way of dealing with things. I welcome the changes, the open communication and that they make the damn best cameras in the world for the best prices in the industry. Thank you Jim =)
Also thumbs up for the heads up on the price increase. If only other companies were as friendly and customer-oriented *apple-cough*!

I think I'll go and party now... Wish us luck on our inquiry ;o)

Yannik
 
Thomas Church said:
I too am worried that a price increase is going to put me (and possibly most of would be buyers) out of the EPIC-S train.

I can afford around 12 K, around 17 K I cannot.

17K is the RED One crowd. I though the EPIC-S was geared at the upper AF100 crowd.

Hopefully there will also be a window to get one at a lower price.
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Thomas - I understand, I'm budgeting for an X right now, and need to pay off the R1 lease/buy ... cover the upgrade cost ... plus, get some addition accessories. So I'm looking
at about $40,000 min right now ... but man, will be the best money ever spent.

But your statement makes me curious whether you're considering that even at 12k estimate it's brain only -- and would probably require another $10-15k AT LEAST for a decent
kit when you throw in the media, EVF or LCD (or both), batteries, etc.

Obviously, it's still a steal when you considered that it's priced around the Sony F3 and how crazily it blows that camera away.

But even if Red sticks to the $12k guess for brain price (which could and probably should change), I would expect to spend $25,000-30,000 for a decent Epic-S package.

Also remember that Epic-S pricing was never "official" like the Stages or M, Jim just gave a rough guess ....
 
I just had a thought...

"EPIC-M brain ............................................. ... $39,500
EPIC-X Brain ................................ $28,000 .. $35,000"

I predict a serious rush of people who aren't in line for any of the stages and were thinking of buying an X next year saying 'bugger it, I'll just pay 4.5k more and have an M and have it now!' :-)

Mike
 
Dummy side handle is possible... electronic Canon and Nikon mount prices are $2000 for titanium. We couldn't make the aluminum mounts stable enough. Too much flex with longer lenses so we decided not to make them.

Jim
 
Brian Shephard said:
What? I thought Stage 4 was open to all. Here is the exact quote from the Clarification post:

STAGE 4: Purchase EPIC S35 Brain

Available to RED ONE camera owners that were invoiced by RED or completed the official RED ownership transfer process after May 22, 2010 ( as well as all non-RED ONE owners)
Cost is $28,000 for 1x S35 MYSTERIUM-X brain with PL mount.
Will begin shipping once all Stage 3.5 orders have been notified they are ready for delivery. You must take delivery within 30 days from notification that your order is ready for delivery . Notifications go back to the order of date/time order placed.
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Calm down! :-)

Stage 4 is for RED One owners who where invoices after the cut off date and for Non RED owners...
 
AnthonyFlores said:
Thomas - I understand, I'm budgeting for an X right now, and need to pay off the R1 lease/buy ... cover the upgrade cost ... plus, get some addition accessories. So I'm looking
at about $40,000 min right now ... but man, will be the best money ever spent.

But your statement makes me curious whether you're considering that even at 12k estimate it's brain only -- and would probably require another $10-15k AT LEAST for a decent
kit when you throw in the media, EVF or LCD (or both), batteries, etc.

Obviously, it's still a steal when you considered that it's priced around the Sony F3 and how crazily it blows that camera away.

But even if Red sticks to the $12k guess for brain price (which could and probably should change), I would expect to spend $25,000-30,000 for a decent Epic-S package.

Also remember that Epic-S pricing was never "official" like the Stages or M, Jim just gave a rough guess ....
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I see what you're saying, but if you're really going for EPIC on a seriously tight budget, it can be done: don't forget you can use old RED bits. A tired old brick or two with an adapter cable, an old RED EVF will work, use the SSD->CF adapter and record on old CF cards until you earn enough to afford SSD.

Yes you're limited, but you could make an EPIC-S into a working package for maybe $3-4k on top of the brain price, buying cheap used RED bits - and they will be cheaper as new stuff gets more common, I recently picked up an EVF with a very minor flaw for $1500.

But if the EPIC-S brain price is significantly higher than has been predicted, that would wipe out people on a tight budget.

Mike
 
Jannard said:
Dummy side handle is possible... electronic Canon and Nikon mount prices are $2000 for titanium. We couldn't make the aluminum mounts stable enough. Too much flex with longer lenses so we decided not to make them.

Jim
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What can I say? I make a suggestion, CEO responds within the hour. What other company works like this?? Thanks Jim!

Bummer on the mount pricing but I see where you're coming from.

Mike
 
Mike 'Fireman' Ross said:
Yes you're limited, but you could make an EPIC-S into a working package for maybe $3-4k on top of the brain price, buying cheap used RED bits - and they will be cheaper as new stuff gets more common, I recently picked up an EVF with a very minor flaw for $1500.
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Exactly. That was my plan.

To get the most basic accessories and use Canon glass.

It seems that I am finally out of the picture. Let's hope Canon makes their S35 camcorder already.

After coming here daily for more than 3 years this is disappointing, but that's life.
 
Thomas, if this makes you feel better, I just recently priced a very standard Epic-S package and budgeted everything out, and without glass my package price came to be about 25k. That includes everything to get me started and I even over priced the Epic-S to 15k just as a safety net incase.

It might not be totally accurate, and I could be missing some things, but so far it's fine. And I could probably cut corners on some things also. It's all about putting your money in the right place at the right time.

I could wait on getting some of the things at first if the Epic-S price jumped over 15k, and then pick them up when I get more money. Don't be bummed that prices go up. There are always deals out there. =D

I hope you still plan on purchasing your Epic-S!
 
Glad to see things are progressing at a rapid pace.

one more thing... announcing... scarlet-M program... shipping....
 
These are great news! Can't wait for the mail: Hi Dan, your EPIC X stage2 is on the way ;-) Had the oppurtunity to shoot with the EPIC M from action products. All I can say: this camera rocks. Beside the fact, that this camera produces the best image I've ever got out of a film camera, the HDRx give us a tool in hand, that change the way you will light and shoot in the future, means: even low budget projects will look like high budget, depends on the talent and courage of the DOP behind the camera. Thank you RED for all what you have done and changed in the last years for better.
 
Jannard said:
electronic Canon and Nikon mount prices are $2000 for titanium. We couldn't make the aluminum mounts stable.

Jim
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Do these mounts have a PL style locking mechanism? Or are they like a standard canon or Nikon mount?
 
When will the DSMC Side Handle be available for purchase?
 
Hey Jim, is there any news of possibly posting Epic-S prices or specs?

I think alot of us are worried about the price jump.
 
Jannard said:
Dummy side handle is possible... electronic Canon and Nikon mount prices are $2000 for titanium. We couldn't make the aluminum mounts stable enough. Too much flex with longer lenses so we decided not to make them.

Jim
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Can we exchange the PL mount in our Stage 2 and 3 package for a Nikon or Canon mount?
 
David Battistella said:
Do these mounts have a PL style locking mechanism? Or are they like a standard canon or Nikon mount?
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Jannard said:
Locking PL-style...
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And they look nice. Really nice... Image by Vincent Laforet, Link: http://propic.com/23C
 
Its not really a PRICE increase.. as much as in increase in FEATURES! - suh-weet!

THIS PROGRAM IS JUST TOO COOL - THANKS RED!!

Can someone from RED please confirm what a PRO Battery Module is?
1. Still holds 4 VOLTS per the renders?
2. Are XL Volts still double wide?

To those touting the price difference from M... The biggest difference between M and X should be how much is enabled. Some of us elected to wait because we dont want a pre-production alpha camera that does
not play back image, nor records sound in camera... nor has 1080P output enabled yet.

Without sounding cheeky... can we assume these features WILL be enabled when X ships in late August?
Or will we be joining the M crowd in waiting for features to be enabled via firmware?
 
Jim,

Thank you for this new updated information and price structure.

It was mentioned before about the possibility to substitute "upgrade" certain parts of the X-packages. I wonder if that is still an option that is being considered?

I think what you're doing with the Canon EOS mount it is brilliant. Would there be a chance to substitute the Ti PL mount for the Canon mount for a Stage 3 person?

I'm really into the DSMC concept!
 
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