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Should Red bother with CF port on Epic?

Should Red bother with CF port on Epic?

  • Yes, I plan to use only SSD media with my Epic so I think the SSD port should be the default.

    Votes: 122 69.7%

  • No, I want to keep using CF media so I want the CF port as the standard port on Epic.

    Votes: 12 6.9%

  • I plan to use both SSD and CF media on my Epic so I will also purchase the other module.

    Votes: 41 23.4%
  • Total voters
    175
Johnny Friday said:
how the heck are the cards costing so much. I can't recall, but seemed i could get one installed on a mac at 256gb at around $500-$600usd. What is so special about the RED SSD that it costs $2500 to 2700 more?

I certainly love the ability to utilize SSD's, but the cost is way out there. Or is this also covering the module on the side and the card? Not that the module should be any big cost. ?????
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i dont know if anyone answered this for you yet, but i believe the increase in price was because of the fact that these drives are housed in a more durable cartrtidge so that constant insertion and removalo doesnt break the connectors
 
I'll pay more for media that doesn't sit as some enormous cradle or dangling drive off the camera. More solid performance than the drives. Cheaper than the raid and not bulky.

Remember, the 16GB CF's were close to $500 a pop not too long ago.
 
Peter Osinski said:
i dont know if anyone answered this for you yet, but i believe the increase in price was because of the fact that these drives are housed in a more durable cartrtidge so that constant insertion and removalo doesnt break the connectors
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I can't imagine that's the case....not for a $2k price value for a heavy duty case. And CF cards are fine as they are. and the case on my red drive is pretty solid to house a raid drive. I was actually looking for a real reason when they seem to cost around $500usd for a 256gig drive now. I'm in the dark as to why red's are $3200. I'm sure there is a pretty good reason. and they obviously have someone else making them just like their cf cards so it's not a new product. Therefore, is there something technical that red has requested in "their" cards from the manufacturer that adds value like this?
 
Jon B. said:
I'll pay more for media that doesn't sit as some enormous cradle or dangling drive off the camera. More solid performance than the drives. Cheaper than the raid and not bulky.

Remember, the 16GB CF's were close to $500 a pop not too long ago.
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Only if you bought them from RED. I've been using my CF cards.....Lexar with no problems and a fraction of the cost. Not sure who makes red's cards---lexar or sandisk? anyway, sure we can all pay more, but why?
 
Johnny Friday said:
Only if you bought them from RED. I've been using my CF cards.....Lexar with no problems and a fraction of the cost. Not sure who makes red's cards---lexar or sandisk? anyway, sure we can all pay more, but why?
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You have third party 16GB cards that work? That's news to me.
 
Jon B. said:
You have third party 16GB cards that work? That's news to me.
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did i say i was using 16gb cards? Lexar professional udma 300x 8gb cards. I no longer use them, but have 4 8gig cards. but again fraction of cost of red cards when purchased. someone makes cards to red's specs yes?
 
hmm. I'm looking at media beyond 8Gb thanks
 
If it ain't bulletproof...

If it ain't bulletproof...

As mentioned RED has a significant interest in a reputation for reliability that is put at risk when off the shelf media is used. As an example, HDCAM and HDCAM-SR tape stock utilized a specialized process for putting the magnetic particles on the backing material that reduced the risk of drop outs. The only place to get the tapes was a division of Sony and they were not cheap, but they were damn reliable.

I for one will not complain about the price if I get years of trouble free service from the media and module. I want peace of mind and happy clients, is that so wrong? :wink:.

Cheers - #19
 
David Rasberry said:
What about C-fast? Is that possibly going to be practical or cost effective?
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Unfortunately, CFast is stillborn. You won't likely ever see it used in any electronic devices as nobody is wanting to use it. CF, as a media format, is dead and SDHC/SDXC have cemented the SD Card as the industry standard for photo and video due to their total industry support and consistent improvements in bus and card design, so that's what you'll find in future cameras from Canon, Nikon, etc.
 
I wouldn't say it's stillborn. Lots of potential here and it has a much faster interface speed than anything planned on the SDHC/SDXC roadmap at this time. Unfortunately, you're right in that the adoption of C.Fast is very slow or even nonexistent. A faster interface is great in theory, but none of the FLASH card technology out there now even comes close to maximizing the relatively slower speeds available with current SDHC and CF technology. There will be applications for C.Fast, of that I am sure. However, I don't see it taking a foothold in the mainstream camera market. But for professional systems in the form of video recorders, cameras like RED, surveillance systems, etc.. C.Fast could definitely make a splash. And yet, it's entirely possible that it could be one of those technologies where there's nothing wrong with it, but every industry just passes by without giving it more than a casual glance.
 
My concern is that by going 1.8" SSD, the media now becomes proprietary and as expensive as RED wants to make it. There are other solutions for CF cards.
 
My concern is that I'd really like to have a way to record RC28, or the Scarlet 3K equivalent - does that come out to about RC23? - for longer durations, on a reasonable budget. That would be one which makes it possible to buy several hours worth for the price of the camera, not one where the only solution for about one hour of recording costs about the same as the camera. For Scarlet, that would most likely mean modified off-the-shelf SSDs or off the shelf 64GB CF cards. I do hope RED has modified their CF design with modest buffering so they can support generic CF cards for the lower recording speeds.

On the other hand, I also know that with just a 8GB CF Card in a Scarlet card I'd be happy as a clam. So there's that.

So my vote would be keep the CF provided they can support generic cards at the lower data rates. If not, I don't see the point of it - the CFs you need are essentially proprietary RED cards anyway.
 
Just wondering how the 1.8 SSD will sit on the fixed and 2/3 scarlet, will it protrude much ? Personally I would love to go for a SSD option over the cards for the fixed and S35.

Any ideas on the total cost of the SSD option ? I think you have to buy a RED SSD, READER and Prob a Red Station (Reader and base module) for a proper SSD workflow.

One final thing does the 1.8 SSD MODULE ($1,500) include the actual SSD and Reader ?

If I could get a complete SSD package for $2,000 I think it would be a fair price to pay, maybe RED could offer this with the fixed Scarlet package for those who don't want the Card option.
Not sure if this is possible, but would be great for those who are interested in a SSD workflow.

Just a thought !
 
Pascal Scheffers said:
My concern is that I'd really like to have a way to record RC28, or the Scarlet 3K equivalent - does that come out to about RC23? - for longer durations, on a reasonable budget. That would be one which makes it possible to buy several hours worth for the price of the camera, not one where the only solution for about one hour of recording costs about the same as the camera. For Scarlet, that would most likely mean modified off-the-shelf SSDs or off the shelf 64GB CF cards. I do hope RED has modified their CF design with modest buffering so they can support generic CF cards for the lower recording speeds.

On the other hand, I also know that with just a 8GB CF Card in a Scarlet card I'd be happy as a clam. So there's that.

So my vote would be keep the CF provided they can support generic cards at the lower data rates. If not, I don't see the point of it - the CFs you need are essentially proprietary RED cards anyway.
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You are not paying attention to RED. They have expressed MANY TIMES OVER They would LOVE for 3rd party media to work, but the FACTS are.. .not one single manufaturer made one to spec and the ones that RED modifies/optomizes, are the only ones that DO work.

This is not a case of APPLE trying to make $ on Memory that can be bought cheaper elsewhere... this is a Q/C issue that I and many others appreciate (and pay a premium for) because what little you might save off the shelf, pales in comparison to how much you lose when media goes bad.

In other words. Trying to skimp on media is PENNY wise... but POUND foolish
 
I thought I heard that there would be a CF to SSD Adapter, I hope that there is some option, either CF to SSD, or straight CF module. Over the years and projects we have invested in almost all forms of storage for our Red, and CF makes up a large portion of our media.

It would be a shame to not be able to use this going forward.

Any info on this would be great.

Thanks
 
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