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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

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Obendega said:
Blair will be receiving his LCD and EVF next week. The RED DRIVES were not available yet.
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thx, do you know what they're using for viewing ?

Cheers,
Damien
(Time to go to bed again, damn this time zone thing, couldn't we do with it like the dvd zones (note : in Switzerland TVs play back both PAL and NTSC, most DVD players are multizone and you can find zone 1 and 2 DVDs in all video stores !))
 
Understood about highlight recovery. What we're doing is called DRX in REDAlert, which "fixes" colours caused by differential clipping of the three channels. Then you can just back off on the exposure slider and see all the highlight detail that's there in the image. That will make the image dark, but you'll have all the info there you need for grading.

The difference between what we're doing and lightroom, is we expect you to grade the images afterwards.

Graeme
 
Graeme Nattress said:
Understood about highlight recovery. What we're doing is called DRX in REDAlert, which "fixes" colours caused by differential clipping of the three channels. Then you can just back off on the exposure slider and see all the highlight detail that's there in the image. That will make the image dark, but you'll have all the info there you need for grading.

The difference between what we're doing and lightroom, is we expect you to grade the images afterwards.

Graeme
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Is this something we might see more in depth in REDCINE?

Also thanks for touching on differential clipping. is DRX essentially a gamma stretch to fix the saturation point of the channels?

_mike
 
Thanks, noted.
Makes perfect sense.

(Still If you don't know what to do with your time at same point...I think it would be a great asset in the RedCine toolbox.)

But anyways again congrats on the success so far. It all seems to be working for the early, early, early adopters. Can't wait to get mine, thats for sure :-)
 
No, DRX is not a gamma stretch. It's a fill in the missing colour channel with realistic looking data type thing.

It's tempting to take the raw conversion tools so far that they do everything. I don't think this is the right way though, as grading should be left to specialist tools, and raw conversion should give them the best data to work with.

Graeme
 
I guess I understand about RAW conversion vs. true grading. My concern is one of budget. I can't afford to go rent time on same crazy expensive online system; I want something I can do on my desktop with a properly calibrated monitor, even if the process takes a little longer.

So, I'm all for more options and the "everything" route.
 
Yep, making the toolbox really extended could render some photographers MIA because they spend all spare time in Redcine :-)

If a customer asks for it, and just wants quick conversion into something pretty, a soft clip thingie would be very usefull.

just a thought :-)

(Hmm...I seem to fight for all the low class features lately, well)
 
Okaay....Brook's hand wants to come out of my screen and in the same time "The Ring" is on TV.

I'm disconnecting the phone.
 
bhtdmc said:
I guess I understand about RAW conversion vs. true grading. My concern is one of budget. I can't afford to go rent time on same crazy expensive online system; I want something I can do on my desktop with a properly calibrated monitor, even if the process takes a little longer.

So, I'm all for more options and the "everything" route.
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Think of these apps more as the lab/telecine rather than finishing.
 
Playin' with the handtest:

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I must admit that I was expecting more footage by today, to be completely honest... and I don't mean you, Brook and Tonaci.
 
omen said:
Okaay....Brook's hand wants to come out of my screen and in the same time "The Ring" is on TV.

I'm disconnecting the phone.
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I do not belive this....hahahahaha (Sjajno...cak se i moja zena smijala;-)
 
Hey guys, there was a glitch with the appliedvisual.com host earlier today -- that's why the handtest didn't initially show without specifying the exact link. All back to normal, complete list of current files is at

http://www.appliedvisual.com/tonaci

Stupid server had a generic index.html file template I uploaded and it created an index with currently available files as of 10:30am and was set to auto-update every 12 hours. Sorry 'bout that, I got rid of the html file and the auto-index thing. Rock on.

As for more footage from others, I'm a bit surprised too... I figured someone else would have something to show. Kinda weird, IMO. I'm sure Gibby and offhollywood will have stuff soon, but I bet they won't show anything unless it's aces. Or "all killer, no filler" in Gibby's case.
 
Deanan said:
Think of these apps more as the lab/telecine rather than finishing.
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Yeah, I understand the distinction, and the intent of the software. I was just hoping that it could be a little closer to a complete pro finish.

What software would I "finish" on? (Sorry; I'm just not familiar with that end of things.)

I do a lot of still photography (Canon 20D), and I use Lightroom to "develop" those images. And when I'm done, I'm DONE.

When I finally get a studio budget and I'm grading in a screening room with a 10ft screen, I'll embrace the total power of the proper tools. But for my indie films or a music video, is RED Alert! (and RED Cine) going to allow me control in a similar way? Can I come up with preset looks of my own, funky color schemes, contrasty BW, etc? The footage we've been seeing is really impressive, but "developed" with a fairly normal and straightforward look.

Thanks for writing and explaining all of this! My background is in video production, but I had been so frustrated by the affordable tools that I've spent the last two years almost exclusively in photography (while checking reduser.net about twice a day). I hope to be renting a RED ONE in November for a project.
 
For what you want in highlights - it's there, just not in the form you're used to:

1) DRX takes care of naughty colours in highlights,

2) back off the exposure until nothing in the data is clipping

3) apply tonal curve or use the brightness control to brighten up the image.

That's basically what the toosl for fixing highlights are doing in other packages.

For low budget 4k finish, I'd probably be looking at After Effects. For finishing, you really need controls that allow you to mask and matte areas of the image for different treatment - ie secondaries or power windows or the like.

Graeme
 
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