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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Scarlet Used Pricing

Josh Snyder said:
What are the reasons that you think BMC isn't close to Scarlet if I may ask?
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The chip and ergo primarily. Its software is also incredibly truncated at the moment. Its a beta camera. Scarlet is a professional production camera.
 
Josh Snyder said:
I agree on all. But the image is there.

By the way I happen to like the way RED and BMC gives us "beta" cameras, as long as they keep adding updates and fixes in fast rate.
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Josh. I mean this respectfully, but do you shoot for a living?
Do you own a RED?
 
I knew it, were being punked :P

Oh you guys at Sony are funny ;)

Merry Christmas to you to you crazy bastards!
 
Paul Schneider said:
The chip and ergo primarily. Its software is also incredibly truncated at the moment. Its a beta camera. Scarlet is a professional production camera.
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The chip produces at least as good image as Scarlet does. BMC is like EPIC-M, both were in beta state before getting proper updates via firmware update.
 
Eric Santiago said:
I knew it, were being punked :P

Oh you guys at Sony are funny ;)

Merry Christmas to you to you crazy bastards!
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Most of the people here (at least in Scarlet forum) have other jobs than filmmaking.
 
Josh Snyder said:
The chip produces at least as good image as Scarlet does. BMC is like EPIC-M, both were in beta state before getting proper updates via firmware update.
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The chip is a micro 4/3. The primary mount is a Canon. This makes it impossible to shoot wide in any way. As a production camera this is a no go.
The software is limiting, when firmware happens great, but it needs a few updates and Scarlet is shooting now.
There are a host of other issues that make it a consumer camera at the moment.
The BMC chip is also quite slow...about 320-640 iso by many estimates. Not optimum and certainly not where the RED cameras are at...although even those need a boost.

While the BMC is an admirable newcomer that will no doubt get better in time, production is not entirely about the image.
 
It has issues, but people seem to be happy to work out those issues when they get that good image for that low price. It's not good camera for bare bones setup, but when fully rigged for production it works just fine.

Get a lens between 8-10mm and you have wide.
 
Just to clarify. BMD sensor is smaller than M4/3.

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Paul Schneider said:
The chip is a micro 4/3. The primary mount is a Canon. This makes it impossible to shoot wide in any way. As a production camera this is a no go.
The software is limiting, when firmware happens great, but it needs a few updates and Scarlet is shooting now.
There are a host of other issues that make it a consumer camera at the moment.
The BMC chip is also quite slow...about 320-640 iso by many estimates. Not optimum and certainly not where the RED cameras are at...although even those need a boost.

While the BMC is an admirable newcomer that will no doubt get better in time, production is not entirely about the image.
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Paul its okay if you think the Scarlet is a better camera but don't misrepresent the BMCC. It has been rated by professional DP's as an 800 ISO camera and if you want to argue ISO ratings there are some who rate the Scarlet as a 320 camera. Also this whole idea that you can't get a wide angle on a BMCC is totally false, especially if you go with the MFT version.
 
Redcode raw, ramping, pre record, goal posts, stop lights, audio meter, proprietary media that is rock solid, S35 sensor, industry standard connectors, modular components, multiple removable mounts, dual internal audio inputs, auto focus, rack focus, Nikon aperture ramp, ergonomics... the list goes on

the BMC is a great camera with a great sensor and a lot of work arounds, great but no where near as production ready and feature heavy as the scarlet. But that is no reason to count out the BMC as a crash cam B cam or even your main shooting cam if you have the time to work with it to get what you want. Honestly I wish this camera existed 9 years ago when I purchased my first major camera looks great to learn on especially as some of it's short coming will force you to really learn what is going on and how to get the most from it. Though at this point who knows a few more firmware updates and it could be in much better shape than it is now.

To each their own!
 
Stephen Matthews said:
Redcode raw, ramping, pre record, goal posts, stop lights, audio meter, proprietary media that is rock solid, S35 sensor, industry standard connectors, modular components, multiple removable mounts, dual internal audio inputs, auto focus, rack focus, Nikon aperture ramp, ergonomics... the list goes on

the BMC is a great camera with a great sensor and a lot of work arounds, great but no where near as production ready and feature heavy as the scarlet. But that is no reason to count out the BMC as a crash cam B cam or even your main shooting cam if you have the time to work with it to get what you want. Honestly I wish this camera existed 9 years ago when I purchased my first major camera looks great to learn on especially as some of it's short coming will force you to really learn what is going on and how to get the most from it. Though at this point who knows a few more firmware updates and it could be in much better shape than it is now.

To each their own!
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I'm with you on most of this, but Lemo synch and 1/8 audio inputs are not industry standard. You have to buy adapters or Pro I/O to get BNC and XLR, which is a small price to pay for this camera.
 
true that is why dual audio is separate from the industry standard comment. Just the fact it has two inputs was my point.

edit: forgot to address Lemo synch... and yes you are correct
 
I think sweeping statements about how people earn their income is pointless. I also think that those of us who buy RED cameras are trying to do the best work we can. So when I buy a camera I'm not investing in a camera, I'm investing in my career. It's my business to make my camera pay for itself in anyway I can, whilst serving my career interests. My career will be the thing that increases in value and repays me year on year, so my camera is free to depreciate at eye watering pace.

That's my two cents.
 
JustinC said:
I think sweeping statements about how people earn their income is pointless. I also think that those of us who buy RED cameras are trying to do the best work we can. So when I buy a camera I'm not investing in a camera, I'm investing in my career. It's my business to make my camera pay for itself in anyway I can, whilst serving my career interests. My career will be the thing that increases in value and repays me year on year, so my camera is free to depreciate at eye watering pace.

That's my two cents.
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That was my rationale as well... At least in this case... Prior gear purchases not so much.
 
JustinC said:
I think sweeping statements about how people earn their income is pointless. I also think that those of us who buy RED cameras are trying to do the best work we can. So when I buy a camera I'm not investing in a camera, I'm investing in my career. It's my business to make my camera pay for itself in anyway I can, whilst serving my career interests. My career will be the thing that increases in value and repays me year on year, so my camera is free to depreciate at eye watering pace.

That's my two cents.
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Totally agree on your thoughts.

When I broke the bank to get my BT Scarlet, I didnt have visions of selling it or seeing its weight in gold a half year from now.

I bought into the RED to get my career going in Digital Cinema.

Sure I have access at work to a RED MX but thats at work and is limited due to my duties there.

I just got back from an outdoor skating rink.

I fell once with the Scarlet in my hands (held it like a baby) but took the fall on my ass.

I would have never dreamed of doing that with the work RED MX :P

It was worth capturing and learning to take frames in such awful conditions.

Everyday is a learning experience with my RED and I will be better for it as a Cinematographer in the long run ;)

Get RED or die trying :)
 
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