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Scarlet pro?

JD Holloway

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I'm talkin' out of my ass here, so please be gentle...


While The highly touted HDRx™™, high frame rates and Magic Motion have all been aligned with the Epic line of cameras...

...isn't there room for some of these technologies in the 2/3 (s16) Scarlet line?

First of all, the 2/3 format is here to stay. There's a reason it exists.
It could be said that its better for 3D
It could be said that its better for tough-to-focus shots (sports, wildlife, run-n-gun etc).
It could be said that its cheaper to light in some situations. (thank you Geoff Boyle).

While "The Hobbit" could very well be shot on 32 hand made Epics, I cant help but think dedicated 3D Scarlet pairs would be pretty beneficial. Heck, the controllable Lens Locking ability of the fixed unit sounds very powerful, if enough alignment can be found between fixed lens bodies (tough on a zoom, no?).

I also can't help but think the sports/wildlife guys might like a "fully featured", high speed (not just burst) 2/3 unit.
3D feature film guys would just want everything the EPIC has and more...like Epic processing power in a 2/3inch sensor.
If read/reset times where fast enough, it could be a mini-Phantom as well with on-board RAM or what-have-you.

...and nobody has said anything about a High Density Photo-site sensor. 4K 2/3 inch chip anybody???
...more low light noise perhaps, but a trade off for resolution that you might get back in the 2k down-conversion.
 
JD Holloway said:
3D feature film guys would just want everything the EPIC has and more...like Epic processing power in a 2/3inch sensor.
If read/reset times where fast enough, it could be a mini-Phantom as well with on-board RAM or what-have-you.
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J.D., wouldn't this require a larger body to accommodate the boards for extra processing power?
 
Yup,

More power, more cooling, more boards, more expensive.
 
RED has decided that putting HDR in Scarlets would up the price with 1000 dollars. (Because of extra boards and processing power)

They did a poll, and the majority wanted to pay more to have HDR, so RED decided the camera will be 1000 dollars more expensive (more ore less), so Scarlets WILL have this technology.
 
...then Scarlet s35 became Epic S.

I'm just not sure how things stand right now in the 2/3 inch world, feature wise.

"The other thread", and its discussion wearies me.

I liked the Kernercam demo i saw the other day, and its 2/3 inch based.
Fast setup (with technician) but still a huge mirror rig.
In multi camera setups, I cant help but think that one mirror rig + 2 small side-by-each rigs would be better.

YIKES this was my 666 post...
 
So Scarlet and Scarlet-X? :cheers2:

Of course Scarlet being 2/3" only as S35 would become an EPIC camera.

This is not a bad idea.
 
I thought all Scarlets get HDRx for 1000$ more including both 2/3 inch models.
 
The 2/3" was stated to have some higher frame rates. 120fps in 3k I believe. So it sounds like, with the current nuggets of info we have now that want you want is probable.
 
I like the idea of a 2/3's "Epic" basically a fully featured 4K camera. but with the smaller sensor. Lower cost glass, in some cases, great for sports and wildlife. those lions get a lot closer on 2/3's so you don't have too. interesting.
 
@ Steve Das - Good to know, I missed that. Thank you.

@ J Eric Camp - I thought the FPS were only burst, sometime you need longer/more.

@ Mark Andersen - My thinking exactly.

While you can centre-crop the Epic sensor for high sustained FPS, you will be in a lower resolution (pixel-wise), obviously, and the OLPF will not be optimized which is another resolution hit (resolve-power wise).
I was thinking this frame size would be a start point for some projects/shots.

You cant take a Canon EF 150-600 EVERYWHERE...unless you are Gibby!
 
Mark Andersen said:
I like the idea of a 2/3's "Epic" basically a fully featured 4K camera. but with the smaller sensor. Lower cost glass, in some cases, great for sports and wildlife. those lions get a lot closer on 2/3's so you don't have too. interesting.
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A lot of wildlife filmmakers currently use 2/3 cameras, so this would be very popular, I think.
 
4K resolution in a 2/3" size sensor would require a completely new sensor design. Not sure how they will fit all those pixels in such a small area.

And the next generation of sensors from Red have even larger pixels than Mysterium and -X.
 
I will detract something though...all Red's products are "Pro". So "Scarlet Pro" is a redundancy.

@ Curran - I don't know where Red gets its sensors. Who knows what's available?
 
Curran Giddens said:
4K resolution in a 2/3" size sensor would require a completely new sensor design. Not sure how they will fit all those pixels in such a small area.

And the next generation of sensors from Red have even larger pixels than Mysterium and -X.
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No advantage to 4k over 3k on a 2/3" sized sensor. There are few lenses that will resolve 5Mp at that image size, none that will resolve 9Mp.
3k really is the sweet spot for best overall image quality from 2/3" Bayer sensor.
 
Jim will be announcing specs / pricing about the Scarlet within 2 weeks. I'll just sit back, relax and be excited when the news hit...
 
Thanks David, are you sure?

Is the lens the limiting factor or is it the camera system? including OPLF etc etc.
My assumptions are based on 3.6(crop) of about 25Mpix (max) in FF yields about 7Mpix. (based on Canon still glass reference).
3K 2:1 would be around 4.5 Mpix ya?

But assuming you are right then,

- HDR is a go
- 3K is sufficient (but maybe more?)
- only sustained high speed and RAM buffered super burst remains a challenge.
 
As others have said, HDRx is slated for all the Scarlet cameras, which are now all 2/3" sensors since the S35 Scarlet has become Epic.
 
JD Holloway said:
While "The Hobbit" could very well be shot on 32 hand made Epics, I cant help but think dedicated 3D Scarlet pairs would be pretty beneficial. Heck, the controllable Lens Locking ability of the fixed unit sounds very powerful, if enough alignment can be found between fixed lens bodies (tough on a zoom, no?).
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It's been said about the Panasonic 3DA1:
It’s $21,000 instead of the $4,000 you’d assume (in essence, the guts of the 3DA1 are comprised of two $2,000 AG-HMC40s side-by-side) because the zoom lenses are hand-matched, and each camera is manually calibrated with servo look-up tables to ensure that the two lenses track each other precisely.
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http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/awilt/story/hands-on_with_the_panasonic_ag-3da1_s3d_camcorder/
 
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