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Scarlet pricing ...?

Philip I have a thread like that here. Just look at my posts... :)
 
My guess is US$4500 bare bones (fixed lens) add US$1200+ in accessories to make that shootable. You should be able to respectably kit it out for less than US$6000 all in. The shakedown on Scarlet will take a long time, because the volume requirements will be large. I don't expect to be able to buy this item before May or June 2010. Any later than that and Red risks falling behind the development curve by incubating too long.

I would think the beta program needs anywhere from 40 - 50 users for a proper shakedown. They may already be in the field.
 
Jeff Coatney said:
My guess is US$4500 bare bones (fixed lens) add US$1200+ in accessories to make that shootable. You should be able to respectably kit it out for less than US$6000 all in. The shakedown on Scarlet will take a long time, because the volume requirements will be large. I don't expect to be able to buy this item before May or June 2010. Any later than that and Red risks falling behind the development curve by incubating too long.

I would think the beta program needs anywhere from 40 - 50 users for a proper shakedown. They may already be in the field.
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By bare-bones, do you mean the Scarlet kit, or just the brain? Because the kit (which was said to have the basic accessories you need to shoot, but we never knew exactly what it included) used to be priced at $3750. If there's a mild price increase, I think that would put the shootable kit around $4200 to $4800 (if they are still offering that package). Of course, that depends on your definition of 'mild' too...

I'm sure a lot of people would complain about this, but it's still cheap compared to Sony's new EX1R, which is $7790 on B&H at the moment.
 
Justin O'Neill said:
The Scarlet prices and schedule will be announced Nov. 30th. RED didn't feel they could reliably estimate hit a release date by yesterday.
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I can't seem to find the post from the RED team anymore. Did it specifically say that Nov 30 is when we would get "release schedule and pricing" for the Scarlet?
 
Let's try to spec out a starter, bare-bones kit...

Let's try to spec out a starter, bare-bones kit...

Jeff Coatney said:
add US$1200+ in accessories to make that shootable
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OK, let's break that one down, because I am trying to figure this out myself. Once you have the Scarlet base, what else do you need to make it shootable? Let's spec out a bare-bones kit based on what little we do know...

We need power, something to record to and a way to view everything. (If it is not the fixed lens version, that means a lens as well.)

Using a parts/pricing list based on the info here (does any of this stuff apply?) and ignoring need for glass at the moment...

The battery module (w/ two "standard" batteries) = $1,250
Side CF module (is this the REDhandle?) = $500
2.8" LCD screen = $900

That's $2,650 and he haven't looked at a few other possible necessities (or the CF cards themselves!).

What about the BASE PLATE which is $500 and the SCARLET MODULE ADAPTOR which is $300? Are these absolute necessities (I would count being able to hold it or mount on a tripod a necessity)? I actually have no idea what they are, I'm admittedly a noob regarding all the hardware options.


:emote_head_explode:
 
Stephen Gentle said:
I'm sure a lot of people would complain about this, but it's still cheap compared to Sony's new EX1R, which is $7790 on B&H at the moment.
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I wouldn't complain about a slight increase, but do feel antsy about the lack of details regarding what a kit would at least entail. The EX1R (which I have just been crunching numbers for) won't be available until sometime in December (at the earliest). Scarlet feels like vapor-ware. My enthusiasm was thoroughly squashed on Friday by the utter lack of information. I'm probably just being impatient, but I'm trying to make an informed decision on which camera I am going to commit myself to for the next 5+ years. If I'm going to go in debt, I want it to be for the right one.

3K excites me due to the creative possibilities of having the luxury to recrop and reframe documentary interviews in post since I basically operate as a one-man crew. But right now I can't even picture what a camera kit would look like? I can't even ball-park what it will cost.
 
Thanx. I just found it again from that link. Still a little antsy because it says full details nov 30th after the bit about the mild price increase, but no word as to whether full details includes "actual release date."

After everyone assuming that Oct 30th was going to be a "release date" message rather than a "release order" message, I'm kind of wary about getting my hopes up.
 
Thomas Malinowski said:
It's here:
Announcement is here : http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37011

#6

You'll need to read the attached .JPG announcement.
Here's a quote:
"Mild price increase. Full details Nov. 30th"
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I thought the bad news was the schedule, now we're gonna have to pay more? He even said a week ago that "For those of you worried about big price increases... relax." Now he's saying there's gonna be a price increase? I thought October 30th was gonna clarify everything, but now I'm more confused than ever.
 
Michael Kontaxis said:
I thought the bad news was the schedule, now we're gonna have to pay more? He even said a week ago that "For those of you worried about big price increases... relax." Now he's saying there's gonna be a price increase?
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Well, he did say "For those of you worried about big price increases..." :biggrin:
 
They have said the fixed KIT is an out of the box KIT.

My assumptions:
So :Fixed 2/3" Scarlet
2.8" LCD - $900 INCLUDED
Scarlet Module Adapter - $300 DON'T NEED
Battery Module (with 2 Standard Batteries) - $1250 DON'T NEED
Side CF Module - $500 INCLUDED
Redmote - $550 DON'T NEED but worth having
4-Pack of 16GB CF Cards - $1400 YES DO THIS

So I ASSUME the kit includes an LCD, the side CF module, the side handle and a battery. You have a lens to focus the image, a brain to see it, a slot to put something in to record it, a place to put a battery to make the whole thing work and a button to hit so the whole thing goes. In addition it can accept audio in and out and even give you a monitor out. You don't NEED anything else. This is exactly the configuration of an HVX. You might want an extra battery or so.

I assume the mild price increase to hit (lets aim realistically) at $4,500. Plus the 4 16gb cards at $1,400 and you are up and working for $5,900.
 
I wouldn't get your hopes set on a firm release schedule for Nov 30. If you do, you probably should re-read Jim's recent postings and re-align your expectations.

A release order, or a general idea of how it will be prioritized, perhaps. Prices? Hopefully.
 
Philip Johnston said:
Having read various posts here could someone tell me roughly how much a Scarlet system camera will cost, one that the end user can pick up and film with...not the bare bones.
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Yea lack of informations created lots of dezinformation. So I also got scarry that Scarlet is now absolutely out of my budget.
I am quite tired of catching all the important info which is buried here and there, that I now read only "Off topic" and "Others camera" section. :Yawn:

look at this
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37024

Jeff Dunant said:
I'm a student filmmaker, and unless there are some announcements that have not taken place yet, I am very disappointed with the pricing. I thought the whole idea behind Scarlet and Epic was that Scarlet would be for folks like me, attending school or people who just do not have a budget, and Epic would be for the professionals. However, it seems like all of the accessories have Epic-sized pricing:

2.8" LCD - $900
Bomb EVF - $3200
CF Card - $500
Side Handle - $950
Mount - $500
Scarlet Module Adapter - $300
Total: $6350

That isn't even including the price of the brain! If you are going to spend that much on accessories, what is the point in even getting a Scarlet?
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Don't get me wrong, this is all extremely exciting for the future of movies, but I am not any closer to actually owning a camera... and with prices like that, I'll have to be out of college and a few years with a job before I can own it. I'm just disappointed and frustrated...
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and Jarred's answer

Jarred Land said:
Jeff sorry for your disappointment. Remember though, in your list of things you have there you don't actually need any of those (except the Compact Flash) to go out and actually start shooting....
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I think I may be missing something. Someone feel free to point me in the right direction/ At some point we were promised a shootable scarlet 8x fixed at ~$3700. I'm pretty sure at one point this was "shootable out of the box" so assuming a bare min of some viewfinder, battery, etc.

Then, the pricing was removed.

Then we get the Oct. 30th announcement with mentions of "mild price increase."

My questions:
Will there still be a shootable out of the box Scarlet?
Will "mild price increase" still apply over what we were promised at one point (shootable, ~$3700)

Or did the shootable out of the box get totally scrapped, or does the "mild price increase" not apply here?
 
Petr Dvorak said:
Yea lack of informations created lots of dezinformation. So I also got scarry that Scarlet is now absolutely out of my budget.
I am quite tired of catching all the important info which is buried here and there, that I now read only "Off topic" and "Others camera" section. :Yawn:

look at this
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37024



and Jarred's answer
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wait, how can you shoot without an LCD or EVF?
 
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