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Scarlet preview...

Peter Dmitriyev said:
You people who really think scarlet will be anywhere south of 10k or even 14k are living in a pipedream and no offense but you don't undefstand technology or its trends very well...
I for one fully support and endorse red staying professional and low end of the high end as opposed to high end of the low end...so to speak
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Mate, i make films. I don't sit around jerking off to technology trends.

My issue is with the approach of never holding anything back and always making the best camera possible is that surely it cant stop? I mean how can they ever make a camera cheaper than epic? Surely they have to offer less somewhere along the line or the camera just ends up as another EPIC. right?
So with that philosophy, how do they decide where professional starts and where it ends? It's all objective. I'm not of the belief that professional cameras have to cost over 10k or 14k. Why should it? you can make a professional camera with stripped back features. We know that scarlet must have some stripped back features otherwise it would be an EPIC, and this post is about Jim saying that it's a professional camera. All i'm saying is that even though red makes professional cameras (and that rocks my world btw), i don't think that means they always have to be out of reach for low budget people like myself. It's not always more is more.
Say they came out with a 3k, 2/3rd sensor that shoots 60fps for $6k. Based on those features along, who is going to call that an unprofessional camera?
 
Still think a Scarlet Fixed with 2/3 sensor is on the cards, hopefully priced somewhere between 6k and 8k. Ted has repeatedly presented the Scarlet over the last year, describing it as a professional digital film camera with an estimated price of somewhere around 6k. I can't imagine things changing that dramatically over the space of 3 months.
I'm just hoping a Scarlet interchangable 2/3 sensor camera (costing around 2/3rds of the price of the fixed package for the brain only) and Red Mini Primes will be announced on 3rd. Otherwise Red's development of Mini Primes would seem to be a huge waste of time and money.
 
I think given the potential for the 3d market, the chances that scarlet is 2/3rds is pretty high.

This could all be smoke and mirrors of course. Get everyone comfortable with the fact that it's going to be >10K only to be shocked and over the moon when it's the same price as it always was...
 
Way I see it, RED will introduce the Dragon sensor in two versions - one for the Scarlet, the other for the EPIC.
Both sensors will have better DR than the current MX sensor...about 1.5 stops better (14.5-14.7 stops).
 
Laco Gaal said:
"Canon is going to release an alternative to Epic on the 3rd"

I keep hearing this, but who knows this for sure? Nobody knows if Canon will release a camera, a hdslr, or a tooth stick written "hollywood" on it. Nobody knows.
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Some people do know.

And ... it ain't an "alternative to Epic". It's alternative to the F3.
 
So much for the "DLSR killer".
 
Wow!! Amazing!! I'm liking the sounds of this!!! You had me before... but hearing this send chills down my spine!!! Can't wait. There are other prosumer cameras,we don't need another. This can be only good news!!! See you on the 3rd.
 
Looks like, at last, Jim has more or less tamped down the mostly overblown expectations of this crowd. Of course, some of the assumptions that are being made are still pretty amazing. :willy_nilly:

Now the question is, where will the reality land us on November 3rd?
 
also, i have yet to hear a single negative comment on Epic. I expect to be blown away on the 3rd, because I know red will not compromise. The new canon 1d is evident canon does not want to compete. If they had 2k raw, they would be 100 years ahead of where they are now, and still behind red.

Faster frame rates, bigger sensor, not sure what it will be, except that I will like it when I see it. I never expected a camera at 3k, and thought it would be a steal at 7k.
 
Michael Dalton said:
also, i have yet to hear a single negative comment on Epic. I expect to be blown away on the 3rd, because I know red will not compromise. The new canon 1d is evident canon does not want to compete. If they had 2k raw, they would be 100 years ahead of where they are now, and still behind red.

Faster frame rates, bigger sensor, not sure what it will be, except that I will like it when I see it. I never expected a camera at 3k, and thought it would be a steal at 7k.
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Michael, the 1D X is full frame 35mm, a completely different ballpark. Its a different aesthetic from S35, and some DP's chose full frame for aesthetic reasons when shooting their films/shows. (House MD, for example).

I expect professional to be, in Red terms, at least 4K. Sensor size I just can't figure it out. I would wild guess S35, but there's a very strong 2/3rds crowd over here so it all depends what Red is looking to respond to with the Scarlet... All in all, these are great times, like Jim said. I'm committed on buying a Red camera as my next purchase. I'm 90% ready for an Epic X order. The remained 10% is for an hypothetical switch to Scarlet S35- but I would have to know about what Jim means by "modularity" and "obsolescence obsolete" on the Scarlet camp... Red team, Jim, bring it on!
 
Originally posted by Ryan Farns
"Worst possible news. "

Sounds like we are separating the sheep from the goats...
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
And ... it ain't an "alternative to Epic". It's alternative to the F3.
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Well, that depends.

Rumor says 4k. Not sure if it reaches that, but I think it'll be more than 2k.

And if it's high res, I maintain it's an alternative. Like I said above: not the same features (RAW, fps...)... not equivalent. But a "instead of" kind of a camera for smaller budgets.
 
I'm very happy with this announcement. Not so much because of what it means, but because it clarifies a lot.
I hope this is strong enough signal to all those waiting for the fixed 2/3 to STOP waiting.
Reset your mind - forget all that you've seen - and you'll be blown away with the price/performance ratio.

I'm ready for Scarlet to BLOW me away.
 
One thing that really confuses me about RED these days. Early on, with scarlet, the intention was very much to corner the indie market along side the what was already being achieved by the RED one in hollywood and beyond, Epic was obviously aimed squarely at cornering that market and seems to be doing a good job of it. The early Scarlet program was 100% going to achieve it's goal of owning the indie film / owner operator market.

I'm looking forward to Nov 3rd, very exciting times are ahead. But I'd be willing to bet my house that with the advances RED have made they could produce a quality 3k camera for around 3k. It doesn't need HDRx or SSD, even pro audio in/out. Just a stripped back cool little camera that can be built upon.

I really don't know why that has been scraped.

As I have said though, I'm looking forward to Nov 3rd, I'm sure I won't be disappointed in what is presented. My only disappointment is that Scarlet doesn't really exist anymore other than in name only.

A genuine question for Jim, are you not disappointed that the original Scarlet has been left behind? Can you see a point when you would produce such a camera and take back what canon stole?

(please note that not once have I made a distinction between professional and amateur based on price or desired features, that is a very childish argument that doesn't serve those who put it forward. A pro camera is the one used to make you money. That is most cameras as far as I'm concerned, it's just that in a few cases you can make more money with more expensive and feature heavy cameras.)
 
whatever... pros, aspiring pros, and hobbyists will money will still gobble whatever you sell faster than you can make it.
 
This is what I posted some days ago... and that's what I know until nov 3rd will change it all.

Erwin Vanderhoydonks said:
This is the information I noted down over the last weeks-months-years...
RED Scarlet Fixed 8x
2/3 sensor with 3K resolution
Lens (28-224mm f/2.4)
Side CF module
REDMote
RED Touch LCD 2.8" (not used anymore) so perhaps 5.0"
REDVolt and charger
--> $4.750
One year ago RED added HDR(x) and Magic Motion --> +$1.000
And if you want some more recording space, you add...
Adding RED SSD Module 1.8" --> +$1.500
Adding RED Mag 1.8" 128GB SSD --> + $1.500
Adding the REDStation Reader 1.8" --> $250
This gives us a total of : $9.000

This is what I know and on nov 3th we will know more...
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I thought RED was only building professional cameras. Jim told us, Ted told us in some of his interviews, RED Scarlet is a professional camera.
And the price tag has changed from $3K to ... (read above quote). And perhaps it will change the day before... :smile:

Jannard said:
3 weeks to go... and things have already changed several times since the date was announced. Exciting! I can't wait to see where we end up on Nov. 3rd.

Jim
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The bad news is over. That's VERY good news. We all sympathized with all the bad news.
It will be fun, for me in Belgium very early, but fun to be there (online) ...

Jannard said:
Scarlet is now a professional camera. It will be more expensive. And there will be no discounts for RED ONE owners.

That is all the bad news there is...

Jim
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