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Scarlet Interchangeable

Jesper Sichlau

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If you use the Fixed Scarlet, it will be possible to use the RED touchscreens to focus. But what abut the Interchangeable Scarlet? Will it be possible to use touchfocus with the RED mini primes or other primes/lenses?
 
I saw a video where Ted used touch focus on the epic using a canon lens, my natural assumption would be that the scarlet does the same.

Although I expect some limitations as to which lenses can be auto focused.
 
Red mini primes and the special mini PL mount are 100% manual.

For more details look here: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=38379

The third post lists a lot of lens specs. While much info is outdated, AFAIK nothing has changed about the mini primes.

As far as other RED mounts (Canon, Nikon), they are the same as Epic, so touch-screen functionality is expected to be the same.
 
I think RED will be releasing new lenses for the Interchangeable Scarlet that will support AF/Touch Focus. The current set of mini primes do not support this.
 
I believe that is 100% dependent on two factors: the lens mount you are using, and the lenses you are using.

For instance, if you decide to use the RED mini-PL mount with the RED miniprimes, you will have no AF options because 1)the mini-PL mount is presumably "dumb" in that department, and only passes along metadata, if that. 2) the RED miniprimes have no internal motors; they can't move themselves.

However, if you decide to use a Canon mount and mount up say, a 50mm 1.2L, then you should have full AF capability because 1) the mount is electronic, and is capable of providing information to the lens regarding focus and 2) the lens has internal focus motors, allowing it to focus itself. The problem here, however, as there is no way to get into the reasonably wide FOV with stills lenses on a 2/3" sensor.

That being said, RED has made mention a couple of times that they do plan on developing lenses with AF capability. When that will happen? Who knows. What types of lenses? Who knows. How much will it cost? Who knows.
 
Red may also be planning external motor systems that can be fitted to dumb lenses for automated controls. That has been hinted at a couple of times.
 
David Rasberry said:
Red may also be planning external motor systems that can be fitted to dumb lenses for automated controls. That has been hinted at a couple of times.
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I was actually wondering about this - using some sort of connector to an external servo would be a great way to allow more lenses to benefit from the R&D.
 
I sure hope they build or offer some sort of electric focus option with the mini primes, as that is the package I've been sourcing out. it's the best value for maintaining high frames rates and a dof. But the lack of focus control for the mini primes is tempting me towards the fixed. It just seems a waste not to be able to take advantage of the red pro remote follow focus and lcd touch focus. My bet is that red will offer some sort of solution for those mini prime users.
 
I'm a little confused still on which Scarlet to get. I want to be able to get a scarlet then when I want to upgrade or buy an epic, but still use the same lenses.. I would need a Scarlet S35 with PL mount??
 
Eric Gavlinski said:
I'm a little confused still on which Scarlet to get. I want to be able to get a scarlet then when I want to upgrade or buy an epic, but still use the same lenses.. I would need a Scarlet S35 with PL mount??
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Hi Eric,
I noticed you're new and asking a lot of questions about Scarlet S35. Maybe you should read this first:

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=52245

...and plan to spend more than you probably thought, or settle for a Scarlet 2/3 (which is, at least for now, the only size Scarlet) in fixed or interchangeable (aka Cinema).
 
Thank you very much. This is such a great site to learn. I'm trying to get ahead of my class to be the best cinematographer/camera operator.

Scarlet seems like such a nice starter camera. I most definitely want interchangeable. I'm worried the 2/3" sensor will not give enough DOF. . .
 
Eric Gavlinski said:
Thank you very much. This is such a great site to learn. I'm trying to get ahead of my class to be the best cinematographer/camera operator.

Scarlet seems like such a nice starter camera. I most definitely want interchangeable. I'm worried the 2/3" sensor will not give enough DOF. . .
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It will. Watch a few 2/3" or S16 films. Of course, all things are relative, and relative to what a FF35 camera can achieve in terms of DOF, or S35 for that matter, yeah, well...:beer:
 
Eric Gavlinski said:
Thank you very much. This is such a great site to learn. I'm trying to get ahead of my class to be the best cinematographer/camera operator.

Scarlet seems like such a nice starter camera. I most definitely want interchangeable. I'm worried the 2/3" sensor will not give enough DOF. . .
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Are you sure that you haven't got that backwards?

A 2/3rds sensor will give much more DoF than a "normal" RED sensor.
 
Is there any video any where that shows the touch focus in action? I have full confidens that red makes a solid touchfocus. Still Im very curios to se somebody operate it.
 
geoffboyle said:
Are you sure that you haven't got that backwards?

A 2/3rds sensor will give much more DoF than a "normal" RED sensor.
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Eric, Geoff is right. Perhaps you're talking about having the option of shallow DOF.

Smaller sensors and/or slower lenses give automatically give you more DOF (in focus elements) -- larger sensors and wide open shooting can give you very thin DOF where everything is out of focus except the main subject.
 
Sorry guys. It was late, I meant a shallow DOF. :P

If you compare the 2/3" and the S35 how big is that difference in DOF? I know the bigger sensors give you a shallower DOF, but in comparison to the 2/3" is it a Huge difference?
 
Just got my footage back from a film I shot on super-16. DOF was very nice when I wanted it to be. I got several really great shallow focus shots wide open on a 50mm T1.4 or zoomed in and wide open on a 10-52mm T2.8.

I think the only real limitation would be getting shallow DOF at wide angle. Even wide open, you aren't going to get very shallow until 25mm or so.
 
Here's a list of major films shot on Super 16.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_shot_in_Super_16

Some really good ones on this list, including Leaving Las Vegas. Tarantino shot Reservoir Dogs on 16mm ... and some of Stanley Kubrick's films were shot on 16mm.

Needless to say it's a very viable shooting format :-)

Anthony
 
Brandon J.F. said:
Reservoir Dogs was shot on 35mm.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105236/technical
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You are right. I was thrown off by this quote:

"Armed with $30,000 and a 16mm camera, Quentin Tarantino was all set to make the film with a bunch of friends, including his producing partner Lawrence Bender who was going to play Nice Guy Eddie. It was then that Tarantino received an answerphone message from Harvey Keitel, asking if he could not only be in the film but help produce it. Keitel had gotten involved via the wife of Bender's acting class teacher, who had managed to get a copy of the script to him. Keitel's involvement helped raise the budget to $1.5 million." - IMDB

I guess they moved up to 35mm once they got funding. Thanks for the correction :-)
 
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