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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Scarlet Dragon

Joe Minuni said:
It would be if they end up using the same sized sensor which remains to be seen. I assume we won't know until they are well into the epic upgrades
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Seems like it will be though since it was for mx and all specs so far imply that approach, plus it might make camera firmware more complicated if they have different hardware and array sizes etc.

Michael Patterson said:
So this may have been answered somewhere, but I can't really find it. I'm not a huge crop factor numbers guy, but was wondering about fov when it comes from going 4k mx to 5k dragon. I'm assuming it should be wider than the 4k? I know it won't be as wide as 5k mx right now due to the density of the pixels, but does anyone know how much wider it would be?
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4k MX is a 1.16x crop compared to 5k dragon
 
Noah Yuan-Vogel said:
Seems like it will be though since it was for mx and all specs so far imply that approach, plus it might make camera firmware more complicated if they have different hardware and array sizes etc.



4k MX is a 1.16x crop compared to 5k dragon
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so would that roughly mean that 5k dragon is 16% wider than 4k mx, or is this kind of math wrong? Meaning a 24mm on 4k mx would behave like a 20mm on 5k dragon? (This is relative of course)
 
Michael Patterson said:
so would that roughly mean that 5k dragon is 16% wider than 4k mx, or is this kind of math wrong? Meaning a 24mm on 4k mx would behave like a 20mm on 5k dragon? (This is relative of course)
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Yeah basically but those numbers are not as useful. "Crop" factors/multipliers are convenient because you can just multiply the focal length and f-stop by the multiplier to find the exact equivalent FOV/DOF.

BTW I came about those numbers by this math:

MX 4K width = 5.4um/pix * 4096pix = 22.1mm
Dragon 5K width = 5.0um/pix * 5120pix = 25.6mm

25.6mm / 22.1mm = 1.16
 
I remember someone saying that Peter Jackson would have spent the same amount of money on Scarlet Dragons for The Hobbit, and he still would have had 48 fps at 5K, and arguably better image quality, had they been available at the time he forked over the money for 36 Epics. Crazy...
 
It's been speculated that the materials cost of a FF35 sensor is 10x that of an APS-C sensor. And that's sensors that don't share R&D costs / pixel design.

Obviously the size difference here would be much less, but if shrinking sensor size really makes that big of a difference, it's a smart idea. Cost savings from a smaller sensor could make room for a more powerful processor and closer-to-Epic framerates. Or a lower price. Or a little of both.

Now I want a Super-16 Dragon!
 
I remember seeing a post by Jarred saying quite clearly Scarlet Dragon will never support 6k at any frame rate.
 
Yep, Jim and Jarred made that very clear from the beginning.
If RED really manages to produce two versions of the sensor and save money, gain better yield-rates and all that by doing it then that would be great.

And hey, this would stop people from starting new threads every month, asking for 6k-motion and such things. ;)

I finally made my decision. Scarlet to Scarlet-Dragon for me and then start saving for a EPIC-Dragon.
 
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