Run&Gun in Paris by night

[Olivier Madar]

I have shooted only 3 or 4 times with my Redone and my regular customers do not see why I should use the RedOne for their film !
Should I throw my customers away :bye2: ? Certainly not ! I have to fit to them and become as agile and quick with the RedOne than with my old VX2000 Sony.
It seems that the Redone does like "big lights", and I get good result with a single 575 HMI. But what could I get under street lights only ? no tripod, nobody to carry the accessories truck and only 3 hours at -3°C ? That is what I wanted to test.

Here are some pictures from the rushes (Redcine JPEG) and from the filming. I use essentially Nikon primes (here 14mm 2,8 - 28 2 Zeiss - 50mm 1,4 - 85mm 1,4)
My workflow is not really steady. Sometime, I use ref quicktime in FCP, sometimes, I use clipfinder and redAlert, sometime I use Crimson and Redcine. Today, it was Crimson and Redcine. I only have 2 awful Dell monitor for grading, so it is a risky grading too.

It is very hard to get a steady picture, and I don't know what to do against the jerks in the picture. (Because of the rolling shutter ??). What do you think about these rushes and how to improve ?

 

[Andrew Walker]

Would like to see some footage. The stills of you shooting look nice but the ones that I'm assuming are from the Red footage look a little dark and out of focus. Cool rig.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Olivier,

it's all great!

Also have a look at my latest RED1 hand-held rig option.

LINK>>>

Maybe you could pick up an idea.

 

[Olivier Madar]

Some more JPEG and a link to download a 264 megas H264 1080p movie (8 Mbits/sec)

http://media.vecteurm.com/olivier/ajeter/Paris_nocturne2H264.mov

The JPEG uploaded seems to be very damaged

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Olivier,

That was shot at my favorite tourist point of shooting at this pedestrian middle zone close to the Arc de Triomphe at the Avenue des Champs-Élysées in Paris!!!!!!!!!!!

Nikon 50mm f/1.4 or faster?

AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Olivier Madar]

Nikon 50mm f/1.4 or faster?

"Only" 1,4. I think I will buy the 50 1,2 quickly.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Oooohh again I love this clip so much!!!!!!!!!!!

Again and again!

Paris is a place made for movies!!!!!!

 

[Olivier Madar]

Oooohh again I love this clip so much!!!!!!!!!!!

Again and again!

Paris is a place made for movies!!!!!!

Thank you Sanjin. I love this place too.

 

[jimhare]

Hi Olivier,

Can you let me know the shutter speed? Looks like maybe 1/25?

Very nice but still has a video quality to it. The depth of field is there but it has a 360 degree shutter look to it, which is why I'm guessing 1/25th.

Great test!

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Olivier Madar]

Hi Olivier,

Can you let me know the shutter speed? Looks like maybe 1/25?

Very nice but still has a video quality to it. The depth of field is there but it has a 360 degree shutter look to it, which is why I'm guessing 1/25th.

Great test!

Cheers,

Jim

I see these shutter look too, but I am on 1/50 for 50 i/sec. So what could I do to avoid that effect ?

 

[Steven-Marc C.]

Salut Olivier,
Did you shoot 50 fps? That's probably why the footage has a video look to it.
I don't know if it's your QT encoding or my decoding but the highlights in your footage have a very bad purple halo. I'm assuming this is not present on the original R3D footage?

Dommage que tu n'aies pas été filmé à l'intérieur du Grand Palais (je ne sais pas s'ils t'auraient laissé) parce que la scénographie de La Nuit des Images était exceptionnelle! :wink:

 

[Olivier Madar]

Salut Olivier,
Did you shoot 50 fps? That's probably why the footage has a video look to it.
I don't know if it's your QT encoding or my decoding but the highlights in your footage have a very bad purple halo. I'm assuming this is not present on the original R3D footage?

Dommage que tu n'aies pas été filmé à l'intérieur du Grand Palais (je ne sais pas s'ils t'auraient laissé) parce que la scénographie de La Nuit des Images était exceptionnelle! :wink:

Hello Steven,

Yes, I was at 50 fps. But what else ? 1/48 ?
The little purple halo is CA (chromatique abberation). It is an aperture and optical issue (1,4 50mm). With the 1,4 85mm, it should have been worst. If i put 1 or 2 stop more, it is much better. On the nikon camera, it is corected by software, but not with the Red.

J'ai loupé le grand palais, mais visiblement pas toi : des images, des images !!

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Hello Steven,

Yes, I was at 50 fps. But what else ? 1/48 ?
The little purple halo is CA (chromatique abberation). It is an aperture and optical issue (1,4 50mm). With the 1,4 85mm, it should have been worst. If i put 1 or 2 stop more, it is much better. On the nikon camera, it is corected by software, but not with the Red.

J'ai loupé le grand palais, mais visiblement pas toi : des images, des images !!

Olivier and Marc,

yes it is a lens coating issue and also I've got it with older lenses like

Canon FD 50mm L f/1.2 and Leica Noctilux 50mm f/1 but a brand new

Leica Noctilux-M 50mm f/0.95 Aspherical almost doesn't have it at all.

The footage examples you can find here to download>>>

 

[Vincent Thomas]

Bonjour Olivier

I agree with Steven about the 50fps..
If the highlight problem is present in the original R3d file, you may be able to reduce it in post... Zeiss optics are multi coated but some have purple fridge problem i think. I will be curious to see how a Leica or Arri ultra prime perform here... Zeiss contrast is also very strong which could not always be appropriated?

Half on the film i'm writting at the moment is happening at night, and personally i will not shot at full night. Even if you have faster lens, i don't think you could expect great photography, if you expose correctly the shadow the highlight blow out... i haven't seen anything really good to my eyes coming from a Red in that situation. Maybe next year with the new sensors higher sensitivity and better dynamic range ?

Now if you could always rent some big helium light balloon to illuminate our night

Let's me know if you have other suggestions anyway Olivier, will be helpful for me as well...

Cheers

Vincent*

 

[Olivier Madar]

Bonjour Olivier

I agree with Steven about the 50fps..

Do you think 1/48e should have been better ? with 24 fps ?

If the highlight problem is present in the original R3d file, you may be able to reduce it in post...

How would you try to reduce it in post ?

Zeiss optics are multi coated but some have purple fridge problem i think. I will be curious to see how a Leica or Arri ultra prime perform here... Zeiss contrast is also very strong which could not always be appropriated?

I have just downloaded aSanjin test of the noctilux 0,95 and I am a bit shocked : I like it very much, and 0,95 is about 1 stop more than 1,4 !!! Huge difference.

Half on the film i'm writting at the moment is happening at night, and personally i will not shot at full night. Even if you have faster lens, i don't think you could expect great photography, if you expose correctly the shadow the highlight blow out... i haven't seen anything really good to my eyes coming from a Red in that situation. Maybe next year with the new sensors higher sensitivity and better dynamic range ?

Now if you could always rent some big helium light balloon to illuminate our night

I totally agree with you. But for Run&Gun shooting, I want to feel light and free. So, no HMI nor spanish army for carrying all the accessories.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

I have just downloaded aSanjin test of the noctilux 0,95 and I am a bit shocked : I like it very much, and 0,95 is about 1 stop more than 1,4 !!! Huge difference.

Whatever counting about stops but is a huge difference between f/1.4 and f/1.2.

f/1 or f/0.95 is totally another world that you cannot believe it.

After that experience you would wish that all your lenses are fast like Leica Noctilux-M 50mm f/0.95 ASPH .

Also don't forget that Arri/Zeiss MPs are all @ T/1.3 that is f/1.2 but they are expensive to rent or owe and bit heavy for a handheld work.

 

[Olivier Madar]

Whatever counting but even is a huge difference between f/1.4 and f/1.2.

f/1 or f/0.95 is totally another world that you cannot believe it.

After that experience you would wish that all your lenses are fast like Leica Noctilux-M 50mm f/0.95 ASPH .

Also don't forget that Arri/Zeiss MPs are all @ T/1.3 that is f/1.2 but they are expensive to rent or owe and bit heavy for a handheld work.

Thank you Sanjin,


Now, I know why I should buy this Leica, and I know what to wish for the next Christmas !

 

[Vincent Thomas]

I own Leica and Contax Zeiss. Depend of the desired perspective, i choosed. I like for example the 21mm contax Zeiss. I off course try to have the faster lens as possible but i'm not convinced that spending 2 or 2k$ more for a noctilux instead of a 50mm Zeiss or Summilux 1,4 will be a real solution. Sure it's brighter but what about DOF, Sharpness from center to border or vignetting wide open? Then i don't want to shoot everything at 50mm and the other lens are not as bright...

V*