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Ridley Scott, on shooting Prometheus in 3D...

Thanks for the link Joseph - interesting read, and fortunately no real spoilers.

I'm intrigued about how he's going to use 3D in intimate dialogue scenes!

However, I really hate accidentally reading spoilers, so I'm going on a Prometheus fast from now on! :smile:
 
Thanks
 
I'm curious how his penchant for multiple cameras and telephoto lenses "grabbing" bits of action on the long end of a zoom works with the whole 3D world where you tend to get a better effect working up close to the action with wider-angle lenses and thus fewer cameras running at the same time.
 
Thanks Joseph, I'm a huge fan of Ridley's -- this is special.
 
ericyoung said:
I'm intrigued about how he's going to use 3D in intimate dialogue scenes!
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I'll be able to talk about it sometime soon... but I've been very involved with a high-dollar project that 3ality Digital tech is used on with a major director and A-list cast. It is a heavily dialogue-based, dramatic feature. I was fortunate enough to watch the Director/DP at work with the cast doing intimate, wrenching dialogue scenes in Stereo. It brought such an incredible visceral feel. I was honestly surprised by how much it changed the character of the scene. A lingering two-shot becomes so much more to look at... the sweat on a brow and hair falling over the face. Smoke rising from a cigarette and the wind waving through a sheer dress. When reviewing the footage, after the scene, there was a silence in the room and the Director said, "now THAT is cinema."

So to answer the question of how it's used... nothing dramatic or special. Same kinds of shots you would do in 2D. But the added dimension brings an element of drama that didn't exist before. It was very cool to see, and to realize it wasn't just me (the guy who works for the 3D company) that thought it was magic presented in a new way.

Best,

Lucas
 
Yeah. Whatever.
3-D is the only way Hollywood is going to maintain the status-quo.

It's easy for Ridley to walk up to the viewfinder and say "lovely". He didn't do all the work setting up the
camera. I suppose that's true for any large production.

3-D is supposed to immerse the viewer, but for me it has the opposite effect.
I guess if the man who brought us "Alien" and "Blade Runner" says he's happy,
I'm happy for him. I'd just rather we skip all the 3-D and go straight to 4K digital projection.
That's my ticket.
 
Thanks Lucas. Would love to hear more about that film when you can talk about it ...

Based on what we're already hearing about Prometheus, and knowing Ridley Scott and Dariusz Wolski's ability to make beautiful-looking ... AND that it's being shot on Epic/3Ality -- I have a feeling this
could easily be the best looking 3D film we've ever seen.

Can't wait until summer of next year :)
 
David Collard said:
Yeah. Whatever.
3-D is the only way Hollywood is going to maintain the status-quo.

It's easy for Ridley to walk up to the viewfinder and say "lovely". He didn't do all the work setting up the
camera. I suppose that's true for any large production.

3-D is supposed to immerse the viewer, but for me it has the opposite effect.
I guess if the man who brought us "Alien" and "Blade Runner" says he's happy,
I'm happy for him. I'd just rather we skip all the 3-D and go straight to 4K digital projection.
That's my ticket.
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:nono: 3D is here to stay, get over it.

It's also in it's infant stages, in many ways. With tools like the Epic, 3Ality/ET rigs, etc I
guarantee you the quality and "artistic" dimension of 3D filmmaking is going to make
some quantum leaps in the not so distant future.

I don't want to turn this thread into a 3D debate ... I just can't understand why people
feel compelled to write it off so early in the game.
 
David Mullen ASC said:
I'm curious how his penchant for multiple cameras and telephoto lenses "grabbing" bits of action on the long end of a zoom works with the whole 3D world where you tend to get a better effect working up close to the action with wider-angle lenses and thus fewer cameras running at the same time.
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that's what i was thinking too. from all i know, he loves to have the cameras way back away from the talent and shooting on long lenses. maybe he's modified that when working 3D? would seem that if he did do that, there wouldn't be too much point in shooting that type of coverage in 3D, since most of the effect would be diminished.....
 
Funny things is that for the past years while I have tried to involved big names in thinking that 3D can and should indeed be used for Drama, such as "RAPE of a Beauty"
and heavy dialogue Films, now, at last some of the biggest names in Hollywood, and abroad, are listening!!

Luca placed very well, some scenes, no matter of the Genre, will incredibly gain form 3D, not because of the hype, but because of the added dimentionality
that is not that of which we have come to get used to in 2D Monoscopic cinema, but it is that of which we are used to it every day in our regular life, we see in depth,
in distance, in intrigued ways that our Brain selectively chooses for us what we really see out of what we really don't, things that are hidden partially yet we see them,
3D is simply a magical tool rediscovered, and as it becomes more and more easier to create Depth Budget in any story, Films will never again look the same in 2D.

As for using long lenses in 3D, this is a must for some scenes, and even so Supertelephotos are used to flatten, in 3D they can and they do add a certain
dimensionality that even so is not as cleared detached, and round as a wide angle unclose, they provide a pleasing 3D depth, that is sufficient to justify its use.
 
I think it's cool to state our personal feelings about where the industry is and where we think it might be headed. The reality is that we aren't sure what the future is. To flat out tell people they are wrong, can sometime feel like a slap in the face while communicating on a forum (more so than if we were speaking in person). I say this for my own benefit as a reminder to myself, if anything. Hehe

I like 3D, but the slew of poor 3d and low brightness of theatrical projection is really hurting the industry as a whole. I'm glad that more people on this side of the movie business are having a good experience and it's not just the executives looking to make bigger profits. Let's hope that their dedication to 3D translates to a better experience to the average movie-goer...
 
Joey R. said:
Not to split hairs, but its Epic/Element Technica :P
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I stand corrected Joey, thanks. Score for you guys! :)

@ Joseph, I agree with you. Maybe I shouldn't have used the "no no" emoticon in my post.

I just get a little bothered by the total dismissal of 3D as having cinematic/artistic potential, when so many of the directors are embracing it as a creative tool - not just a marketing gimmick (as many studio heads seem to view it).

And your point about projection/quality underscores some of the points I made. Namely, that we simply can't judge definitively at this point ... it's way too early to tell what's possible and where 3D will be in the next 1 .. 2 ... 3
years as so many aspects of it progressing amazingly fast right now.

I will try to be more civil in the future :)
 
AnthonyFlores said:
I just get a little bothered by the total dismissal of 3D as having cinematic/artistic potential, when so many of the directors are embracing it as a creative tool - not just a marketing gimmick
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"Even" Jean-Luc Godard is woking on a 3D project exploring the creative possibilities offered by 3D... an they are a lot!

Pat
 
Joseph Hutson said:
...I like 3D, but the slew of poor 3d and low brightness of theatrical projection is really hurting the industry as a whole. I'm glad that more people on this side of the movie business are having a good experience and it's not just the executives looking to make bigger profits. Let's hope that their dedication to 3D translates to a better experience to the average movie-goer...
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Jeffrey Katzenberg is in agreement!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/22/us-katzenberg-3d-idUSTRE76L5CN20110722
 
For those who get a headache watching 3D, but still want to go with you to the cinema to see a 3D film :biggrin: :

http://www.2d-glasses.com/
 
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