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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Resolve 9: The Good and the Bad

Paul J Steinberg said:
Hmmm.....beta only eh?

I'm keen to hear how stable it is before installing it. ...downloading it now just to be ready. :)
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Totally stable ... we've been using it for a month ... download it, install it, use, enjoy it!

Have fun ... you will never go back to 8 :-)

Neil
 
Patrick O'Sullivan said:
The Good:

It is out.


The Bad:

No idea. I'm still downloading it.
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The GOOD, simple:
Just off the top of my head, sound support on render, simultaneous multiple deliverables, log grading, support for other editors shortcuts, much better laid out interface, single click node selection, an ability to name nodes and on and on and on... The BEST part, as usual, the upgrade is FREE:laugh:
BAD, only support for 4 trackballs BM panel in Log mode.
 
just testing it now, right after learning a bit of 8. It's a lot more user friendly, but I do need to get used to drop downs for certain tools instead of buttons that are in sight. Also, is there any way at all you can render out RED clips at full debayer without running into gpu memory problems? I don't mind that these don't work in realtime, as long as it works in the final render.
 
So far I can't say I like the new interface that much, filling one page with so much and it will quickly turn into a click-a-thon among icons and drop down menus, you won't have as good overview. In the end I think this will slow you down.
Some observations, when dragging the timeline marker under the image it's too easy to accidently activate the eye dropper and take a sample instead, resize the scopes panel isn't easy, etc.
Well, it's the first public beta, so I am sure it will improve :)
 
Robert A, You don't mention your GPU, OS, system config etc so hard to assist..... GPU memory when exhausted or near too exhausted is not reported back to the application so if you have the correct GPU drivers for the card and OS and you are out of GPU memory on v9, you need to consider simplifying the grade, lowering the res, or upgrading the GPU. This third party hardware limitation is out of our control but let us know your system details incase you have something amiss.
Peter
 
Hi Jake, Thanks for your feedback. i'm pleased you like v9 and that we can offer LOG grading. There are a number of new features in v9 that have direct control via the BMD panels. The 4th trackball for Offset has been available for some time and is now integrated with the LOG palette. We continue to add features to the BMD panels and so I hope you can one day justify that upgrade in your budget.
Peter
 
The GREAT: each Red clip can now have its own Red Settings. This makes life SO much easier.

GREAT: the new curves "larger zoom mode" - makes curves SO much more easy to work with and powerfully precise.

I was hoping most that the HSL qualifiers would have become a little less noisy - I still suggest curve falloff options, which obviously work so well in the "hue vs" curve panels and can be easily tweaked to not create noise (while being able at the same time to be very precise - in HSL we seem to have to chose one or the other, vague and less noisy or precise and very noisy - not both clean and precise). I also suggest a blur/choke option in HSL - the way it is now when we blur we seem to magnify the moving noise to large blobs, much of the time. Please guys, blur/choke is in many other software, including Colorista - it is very fast and efficient - check it out. Often you can SEE a particular color, yet be unable to get Resolve to pick it cleanly without tons of blur and added windows.


Generally I feel the HSL is the biggest weak point in Resolve right now - the least liked part of the software. Most colorists I have spoken about Resolve with agree with me, and in fact when stating a reason for choosing another platform, the weakness of the HSL qualifier is the reason that comes up most often. It feels like older tech that used simplified quick and dirty algorithms as a work-around when GPUs were much slower and more expensive, and when to-tape playback required the constant assurance of realtime. Now to-tape playback is more rare, at least it does not need to be straight from the timeline, and GPUs are fast and cheap. Time for new underlying HSL qualification math!
 
Peter Chamberlain said:
Hi Jake, Thanks for your feedback. i'm pleased you like v9 and that we can offer LOG grading. There are a number of new features in v9 that have direct control via the BMD panels. The 4th trackball for Offset has been available for some time and is now integrated with the LOG palette. We continue to add features to the BMD panels and so I hope you can one day justify that upgrade in your budget.
Peter
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Thank you Peter for clarification.
To say, that I'm disappointed, would be an understatetment.
So, to paraphrase King James Bible, First BM Giveth and Then They Taketh Log grading away:banghead:
But, as I said before, at this price I can hardly complain...
 
Until I learn differently, I'm going to have to say that audio and scene detection are not working together.

I have tried importing a baked file and placing it in the timeline un-touched and it plays back fine, then added the same file to the timeline after scene detection and the chopped up clips do not play back with the proper audio. At first it seemed as if it may be a playback phenomenon, but the mis-match follows through the render process.

Edit: Resolve Lite Beta 9, Mac OS 10.8
 
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Peter,

It is a great upgrade. I ran into issues with render cache which does not seem to work, but setting the RED decode and the decklink video out to 10 bit seems to fix it. Otherwise no matter how much you render cache it does not help playback. I'm so stoked that Resolve 9 with single RR and dual GTX285 plays back 4K/30fps R3D footage at half premium/10bit in realtime (with primary color grading).
 
Peter Chamberlain said:
Hi Jake, Thanks for your feedback. i'm pleased you like v9 and that we can offer LOG grading. There are a number of new features in v9 that have direct control via the BMD panels. The 4th trackball for Offset has been available for some time and is now integrated with the LOG palette. We continue to add features to the BMD panels and so I hope you can one day justify that upgrade in your budget.
Peter
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I'm also disappointed that the 4th trackball on the Element doesn't control the offset for log. I understand you want to keep certain features available for your own panel, but why that one when it's so important? I, and probably many many others, can't justify spending $28K on a color correction panel when there's options that are nearly a tenth of the price and even much less than that. If BM priced the panel more competitively they might sell A LOT more of them. If they were the same price as the Element BM might sell dozens at that price for every one they currently sell at $28K. Also, we have to keep in mind that the BM panel only works with Resolve, whereas the Element panel works with Resolve, RedCine-X Pro (now that 16 is out), Scratch, Lustre, ColorFront, and others Tangent says they're working on. And if I'm working on set, using different tools and programs such as RCXP, Resolve, Scratch, ColorFront, etc. do I want to have one panel for all or do I want to drag 2 different panels with me? It's difficult to justify the BM panel at $28K in these cases.
 
Thanks for posting about the Beta update Patrick! I was just sitting here procrastinating about my improving my resolve skills; I'm definitely enjoying version 9 (so far).
 
I'm having trouble with some RED Epic footage...
I've made a light grading in REDCine X (temperature and a little of Red Green Blue channel adjustment).
The problem is that Resolve 9 cannot see (at least, that's happening to me) the corrections made at the individual channels (curve and slider for each channel).

Does Resolve read all the correction made in REDCine or only some of them??

Thanks
 
Warren Eagles said:
So are you saying the BMD panel should be $3500?........that panel was $60,000 before BMD got hold of it.
woz
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Who are you addressing Warren?
Regardless, Resolve was $150k, before BM bought DaVinci and Linux Resolve was $30K only last year and now it's free with the purchase of a panel. What's your point?
 
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