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Renting the RED Epic. need some quick help

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Hi Folks!

I'm going to rent the Red Epic M for a week. Mostly cause i'm going to the world championship in snowmobile to follow a team through the race.

I have a few questions about my planned workflow.

I really want to record sound, and as a lack of time and experience i want to record it straight on to the camera. Is that possible on higher framerates aswell for slowmotion, or only at 24/25 ?

What compression should i go with? It's gonna play on internet and TV-screens at the dealership stores.

Is it worth it to render out at 2k or 4k for youtube or should i go with 1080p and the advantage of cropping the shit out of the 5k footage?


Really greatful for all kind of support i could get regarding this.


( PS. i have been shooting on an epic for a few days before and know how to work with it at a basic base )


Thanks, Niklas
 
Sound is really only available in 24/25/30 fps land since when you over crank, you generally put that footage into a 24/25/30 based timeline to get it to be "slow-motion," therefore, sound can't be recorded while recording in that frame-rate.

In terms of compression for web, I wouldn't go anything higher than 12:1. I normally shoot at 8:1 compression for everything I shoot, unless shooting green-screen.

It is absolutely worth it to render out your highest resolution sequence possible...why limit yourself? :-) Youtube also supports 4K streaming, so take advantage of it.
 
Chris McKechnie said:
Sound is really only available in 24/25/30 fps land since when you over crank, you generally put that footage into a 24/25/30 based timeline to get it to be "slow-motion," therefore, sound can't be recorded while recording in that frame-rate.

In terms of compression for web, I wouldn't go anything higher than 12:1. I normally shoot at 8:1 compression for everything I shoot, unless shooting green-screen.

It is absolutely worth it to render out your highest resolution sequence possible...why limit yourself? :-) Youtube also supports 4K streaming, so take advantage of it.
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Thanks for the help! To make it easy, i'll just shoot at 24 fps when i need sound, and 120fps for the slowmotion.

And of course, that's true, realized that i might do some shots with my canon dslr and also gopro's so i dont think i want to stretch the 1080p to 4k hehe :)

You got any more tips that might come handy when i'm at the shoot?


haven't decided lens yet. do you think i should go with my 24-70/2.8L and 70-200/2.8L canon glas or only the red pro zoom 18-50/T3 ?
 
I would also think of IRND filters & matte box with whole set of flags on it. Fujinon Cabrio, Arri Allura or something similar would give you unprecedented convenience in shooting action in run-n-gun style.
 
Serge Tsipis said:
I would also think of IRND filters & matte box with whole set of flags on it. Fujinon Cabrio, Arri Allura or something similar would give you unprecedented convenience in shooting action in run-n-gun style.
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I've rented the mattebox with flags and ND's aswell. Unfortuantly the company i'm renting from only have the red zoom or canon mount and lenses. And my budget can't hold any more rentals, so i have to decide between those two options. what would you go with?
 
I have the RPZ 17-50 and use it a lot. The zoom range is great for the doc films that I do. It has a crisp look to it. I also have the canon mount but use non-canon glass on it. I would pick based upon the zoom range that you think would serve the project the best.

Sounds like an exciting shoot, have fun!

Webster
 
As far as I understood you can record sound as long as you keep your project frame rate and the actual shooting frame rate at the same level. You can later slow down in your NLE, of course only the images, not the sound. Be sure to get proper input level into the camera, high input gain is not what you want for good sound. Best to go through a mixer, input wiring might be tricky, ask for advice at your rental company. Don´t crop the sensor too much, 4K sensor size would be good, maybe leave a little room for reframing / stabilization in post. For the mount / lenses decision I´d try to get a feeling what would fit your needs better, the EPIC is big and in no way a gopro.
 
Ulf Krentz said:
As far as I understood you can record sound as long as you keep your project frame rate and the actual shooting frame rate at the same level. You can later slow down in your NLE, of course only the images, not the sound. Be sure to get proper input level into the camera, high input gain is not what you want for good sound. Best to go through a mixer, input wiring might be tricky, ask for advice at your rental company. Don´t crop the sensor too much, 4K sensor size would be good, maybe leave a little room for reframing / stabilization in post. For the mount / lenses decision I´d try to get a feeling what would fit your needs better, the EPIC is big and in no way a gopro.
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Thanks everyone! I will talk to the rental company for some last minute tips and tricks regarding sound but i think i know what to do now.

I'm used to the size and weight of the camera and has no problem with it, but i think the best choice might be going with the canon as i have to possibilty to shoot with the 70-200 lens. The fast run and gun shots we're shooting with canon dslr with magic lantern in raw to get best result blending the different cameras together.



I will post the final result here and also some R3D-files to you guys to color correct or just analyse if you like. Fun to see what "real" RED-owners can do to that footage.

My plan is to do the basic color correcton in red X or what it's called, then transfer it over the premiere for final touch and edit. Don't have enough money to buy the resolve.
 
If you render out 2k (not sure 4k possible now, too) from premiere you could go through resolve lite, which is free.

Have fun!
 
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Chris McKechnie said:
Sound is really only available in 24/25/30 fps land since when you over crank, you generally put that footage into a 24/25/30 based timeline to get it to be "slow-motion," therefore, sound can't be recorded while recording in that frame-rate.

In terms of compression for web, I wouldn't go anything higher than 12:1. I normally shoot at 8:1 compression for everything I shoot, unless shooting green-screen.

It is absolutely worth it to render out your highest resolution sequence possible...why limit yourself? :-) Youtube also supports 4K streaming, so take advantage of it.
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You could change your project framerate to your overcrank framrate and then record sound also to higher speeds. just saying.
 
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