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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

REDucation

Absolutely Mark, that would be a great extension. I also like the idea mentioned before- coming back once a year (or so) for one or two day update training.
 
I come from an IT background and the best face to face training courses I've done is where you get super saturated with information and in the heat of the battle you go back to your course notes/books to find out how to do it. From technical to management the technique is the same. I came away from these courses knowing I got my money's worth.
You may have a wrangling job to do next day so you'll go quietly thru the procedures you learnt in class before hand. There is no substitute for experience (read: doing it before) so therefore it's either with a cup of coffee before hand with your course notes or on set in a melee as people quitely think, nah....next time it's someone else.

People learn in different ways.....at school most of us where encouraged to soak up and recall the information we learnt in class or read once afterwards. Even practicals where just copying what the teacher or others around you were doing. I was slow. I had to do it my way and let it soak in. Give me the road map and let me do it myself.

The lesson is only to provide the frame work whilst the course notes provide all the fine detail. Even if they have the memory of a goldfish (like me) the can work out strategies from the fine detail.

Personally I find slow walk throughs an insult to my mind/wallet. Even worst when 5 other guys have to do it as well! So here's the thing. I'll happily pay $100/hr if I can fly throught the work and know afterwards I have the material at hand to go thru it at my leisure or more probably, the night before a job.
Trouble is a lot of Red info/tools are rapidly evolving, so I hope Red structure there course material in such a way so they can easily swap out content as it get update...bit like the Red manual...only properly structured.


But's there more......

Getting Red practitioners up to speed will help in the success/uptake somewhat.
Okay you probably have 50,000 practitioners who could directly benefit from this training, so procedural manuals & videos are vital.........!!

But the real barriers to the uptake of Red is producers, DOP's, directors, editors, colorists,....etc etc,
Free high level training/workshops for these guys would have a huge impact on the industry. These are the guys who can determine whether a job is a Red one or not. I think they deserve a bit more attention than a trade show!

My suggestion is the handout of a free video/download aimed at producers, DOP's, directors, editors, colorists etc. It would also provide a good overview for the hands-on guys. The industry is still in confusion with Red production/post even though we're just starting to find non-Red people are beginning to get it, I'd say 90% of the industry is where we were 10 months ago. How good would of it been to have an high level end to end video of shooting & editing with Red 10 months ago!

Dave,
 
Many have mentioned this already but I think/feel I need to say it as well.
A knowledge base that will set a benchmark of knowledge for professional work is great. More so initiatives by Red to further help their customers and users is great.

But a "course" of study will hardly if at all prepare someone for real life shooting scenarios. Many amateurs and otherwise incompetent people will claim "Expert" Red status thanks to a course. This doesn't mean they actually know what to do with a camera and on set and may create more damage to the production than good. This can then backfire at Red by having suddenly "Red certified" crew screw up a shoot or gear.
The flip side of this is that professionals or other wise very competent crew will be expected to have this certification. Those who can't afford it seeing as they are paying off the constant upgrade of their gear and setup (on set NLEs, on set grading systems, on set LTO systems, on set tower raids, etc..). Not to mention the fact that they live half a world away from the course. Will be denied jobs, as they don't have the “correct” certification as seen by the, none the wiser, "client".

More than that whatever knowledge delivered in the course will not necessarily be readily available and used on set if needed where as a written manual will be. I agree with David F it should be a downloadable video or a manual we can carry around or look at to brush up on when needed.

If anything a hands on short Red courses should be offered to film schools and universities. As these are the next gen of industry workers that will be using the systems. Seeing as it would be part of a diploma or degree it wouldn't be missed on any resume. Make the short Red courses available to industry professionals as well and in that way deliver new information. Help the professional community, develop the next generation of users and mix professional experience with soon to be industry workers.
 
All good comments - keep em coming. For Tim that had trouble with the deposit section of the website, did you get that worked out or do we need to assist?

Regarding the online components of REDucation, both as continued education for those that have taken the 7 day course, and an online version of the course - all being discussed and worked through. I'm personally a fan on in person, face to face, hands on learning, instead an online version, but certainly understand the value of both. If the online component of REDucation can enhance and add continued value to what we are trying to accomplish with the on site classes, I'm all for it.

What Adobe TV does, and Apple does with their tutorial videos and our friends at fxphd do are certainly very valuable and impressive in their own right. So we will find a way to create value with online learning, potentially both a free version for all to benefit from and a paid version with highly advanced, in depth online courses.

+ Ted
 
Yes, a combination of hands on and on-line learning sounds good.

I can attest to the "Certified" thing being used in the wrong way. I ran a RED workshop and found out that one of the people taking the workshop then went around telling people he was a "RED Certified DP".
 
Dates have been posted for REDucation:

http://www.reducation.net/dates.html

July 20 - 26, 2009 - Los Angeles, CA
October 12 - 18, 2009 - Los Angeles, CA
November 9 - 15, 2009 - Los Angeles, CA
December 4 - 10, 2009 - Los Angeles, CA

We will be posting a overview of the curriculum as our next step... coming soon.
 
I guess the only question now is whether taking the earlier july course would deny you certain benefits of later dates, such as access to Epics/Scarlets that might only be available later in the year?
 
Andrew clemson said:
I guess the only question now is whether taking the earlier july course would deny you certain benefits of later dates, such as access to Epics/Scarlets that might only be available later in the year?
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id imagin most people in recivership of their REDONE would be more enticed for the inital Reducation induction id say the majority of tuition covered in the 7 day schooling would still be applicable post the epic / scarlet onslaught - minus a brushup course on new camera functionality both internally and externally... which im sure is not a far reach from where R1 is at now . As far as workflow gos its forever changing and hard to put a standards on work practices but, fundamentals always stay the same ...there are exceptions though ;) ....

obviously i can't categorically say for certain! just thought id chime in fule for thought and all that. if youre not comfortable dont gamble, Reds not going anywhere... well at least we hope not

all the best
 
Hello Everyone,

The Curriculum for the RED tech part of REDucation is up on the Website now... this is just an overview of what we plan to cover, there will likely be more as we refine, and much of what we cover is designed to be hands on learning as you know if you've been following this thread. Looking forward to feedback and suggestions.

http://www.reducation.net/curriculum.html

+ Ted
 
FYI - we are working on the Curriculum for the Post Production part of REDucation now - we will likely post that early next week.

We will also be starting the process of interviewing for the teaching staff very soon, stay tuned for contact info, etc. if you are interested in being an instructor, teaching assistant, or guest speaker for REDucation...

(and by the way, we are having a lot of fun putting this all together, I think the classes are going to be very interesting and valuable for those that have the time to take them - There is so much RED work happening now all over the planet, I get the reachout for more qualified people in the field every day, I presume many of you do as well)

+ Ted
 
TedRed said:
Hello Everyone,

The Curriculum for the RED tech part of REDucation is up on the Website now... this is just an overview of what we plan to cover, there will likely be more as we refine, and much of what we cover is designed to be hands on learning as you know if you've been following this thread. Looking forward to feedback and suggestions.

http://www.reducation.net/curriculum.html

+ Ted
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That is EXACTLY what I was looking for!
I may be just a 2nd, but my job DEMANDS that I know my shit, that I'm wickedly fast and good at what I do, and that I am up to date with the newest tools....or I don't work. It's a no-brainer here.
This course will DEFINITELY help me, and I'll be sitting up front. :)
...saving up the pennies....:)
 
Man.. I really want to attend.. but I do need to buy the camera.. so maybe later on down the road I will have the cash :)
 
Ted,
Very nice list. couple of more things if not covered in there somewhere....

- data recovery techniques
- monitoring using LUTS to reflect distribution format.
- full render playback procedures to check noise/blowouts.
- exposure sweet points & how to get them in different lighting scenarios (i.e. filters)

D
 
Thanks guys - the enthusiasm for what we are doing is very helpful for the group that is planning the classes.

Great suggestions David to add to the list of RED tech curriculum - We'll get that stuff in there for sure.

(the "how to use LUTs" thing could be an entirely separate course :-)

+ Ted
 
It might also be helpful (without getting too political) to describe the different aspects of the job per type of production for the RED Tech.

In my experience, this job can be anything from simply backing up and logging data, to helping the DP monitor exposure and focus, to completely operating the Camera Menus and offering help with Framerate, Shutter, Exposure, and TimeCode settings, etc.

The idea is that each production offers many different scenarios and needs, and this impacts the job description of the RED Tech on that particular job, whether it be an Indie Short, a non-union Music Video, a Commercial, or a Union Feature Film.

Food for thought. ;-)
 
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