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REDucation

Hello Everyone,

I'm just on the way back from a great week in Vegas... great to read all the comments and feedback... more than anything this tells me that we are on the right track, so keep it coming, and don't worry if it's on the critical side of things, I want to see the pros and cons from everyone's perspective.

Just like everything else at RED, nothing about REDucation is set in stone, or will be set in stone in the future. We will learn, modify, enhance and better the program each time it's taught.

It is interesting to me that there is much discussion on a "certification" after completing the class successfully. We have had much debate from the team creating the program on this topic as well, and see the both sides of the argument pretty clearly. What we have come up so far (subject to change of course) it that we would issue a certificate of completion, so that those that have taken the course can use it as needed, for whatever reason they see fit.

This does not instantly mean that all that complete the course will be great at doing RED production and post work - there is much more to that, that is only cultivated by doing successful jobs, and building experience. I would suggest that as much as possible, those working in the RED production and post field spend some time and energy gathering completed projects they have worked on as a reel of work, and recommendations from producers, directors, UPMs DPs, Ist ACs etc. This holds more weight to me than a class completion certificate.

One of the things we will be focusing on as part of REDucation, is on set practices, and set etiquette for creating a positive environment - the tool is still relatively new, and sometimes the RED tech knows more about exposure and overall best sweet spots for image creation than others on the set - navigating the on set teaching of others to get them comfortable with what's going on with on set monitoring, exposure choices, lighting color temp choices, etc., etc. can be a challenge (but that's what make the gig fun right?)

We will be posting the curriculum overview when we are ready for that stage (a few more long meetings and internal testing sessions till we are ready - NAB kind of got in the way of that progress for a bit)

The biggest reason for creating REDucation, so you all know, is a constant reach-out to RED, that there are not enough qualified RED techs that really know this new tool and the proper on set practices to make the best pictures on the gig, and not enough people know enough about all the various options and best practices for RED post production. Our goal is to help that along in a fun, immersive, fully hands on way for those that are interested. The RED techs that have that unique combination of really understanding the camera, the on set viewing and file prep options for post are in extremely high demand, the industry clearly needs more of them.

We are excited to see the level of initial interest, and will be working on this as much as we can (along with all the other interesting things happening at RED that keep us up working, while you are all on the set shooting!)

Thanks

+ Ted
 
I realize there is still more planning ahead for this, but I was wondering if this was something that would start in early fall, or early 2010?
 
Vince K said:
I realize there is still more planning ahead for this, but I was wondering if this was something that would start in early fall, or early 2010?
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Vince,

I think the spirit of RED is to share information. I think that anyone who is good at what they do will only extend those skills to a RED package on a shoot. You are still going to prep, etc. the way you would.

As a camera owner I have had the same attitude since day one. It's in everyones interest to see every single RED shoot succeed. Early mix-ups and misinformation created havoc an unnecessary panic. When clients are shown the quality of the image, the workflow and all of it's advantages (even though many have "dissed" the workflow) they can see it all as a positive experience.

I think that establishing a set of standards is a good thing and I think that is what REDucation is going to be about (although I am not involved in it).

To me REDUCATION should establish a GLOBAL industry standard that can be applied between cities, countries, trade unions, etc. I believe that RED needs to establish and formalize a basic methodology that takes every precaution to ensure the integrity of the digital information, how it is captured, stored,etc.

By completing a course it tells producers, bonders and insurers and anyone involved in production that a base level of knowledge has been attained, the rest is up to the individual.

How this is executed is completely up to RED, but I also believe that they should also take this opportunity to have CERTIFIED REPAIR CENTERS in KEY LOCATIONS WORLDWIDE (I know they are planning a London office), this would probably be much more extensive, but as the company grows so will the need to have these types of centers.

I hope in some way this can be a helpful post.

David
 
Expensive but definitely worth it .
 
Certificates don't mean much, and I would hope most people in hiring positions are smart enough to understand that. The most incompetent person I have EVER worked with on a Red project had gone through one of the Red training programs already in place (not run by Red of course). Was it the programs fault he was incompetent? Absolutely not. Stupid people are just stupid. Talented people are talented. There is no certificate in the world that can tell you which category a person is in.

I was thinking, when it comes time to upgrade to the new Epics and Scarlets, might Reducation offer a special cheap (or free!!! hehe) one day Epic/scarlet course for Red One owners?
 
Even though I have owned my camera for 15 months, I am always learning. I am considering this class, especially the post side.

But if the class takes place before EPIC/Scarlet arrive, and focusses only on the Red One, it would be nice to have a significantly discounted option to attend a future class that focuses on those new systems. For those who shell out $2500 on a Red One-centric workshop, that would be a reasonable added-value gesture to make the plunge more worth it.
 
I know its not a definite offer of hands on experience with the new cameras, but the REDucation site does say:

"The development of next Generation Scarlet and Epic cameras will also be presented and discussed"

I agree, If early classes focus on R1, and future classes include Epic as standard, (That is, if Epic workflow differs massively) then a discount on a second shorter, 1 or 2 day epic catch up would be one option of a way to go.

I would hazard a guess that a lot will be similar between the workflow of the two camera systems, and that the biggest difference would be rigging and setup.

Fingers crossed anyway.
 
DVD is the best idea I've ever heard regarding Red education...
Especially if you're got those expensive guys/materials in one room.
I now Red know it's not about making money with education, it's about spreading the Red love round the world.

D
 
david farland said:
DVD is the best idea I've ever heard regarding Red education...
Especially if you're got those expensive guys/materials in one room.
I now Red know it's not about making money with education, it's about spreading the Red love round the world.

D
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Even better would be to get the school up online. I think www.Adobe.tv is a good example of how to do this. Reach the GLOBE instantly.

RED hardware and third party software are fast moving targets - having videos produces at the sessions and after the fact - would allow RED to be able to edit, remove and update videos as things change. YES this is a big undertaking with costs - but it could be set up as SaaS with a small monthly subscription to offset admin. costs - and you could also subsidize with third party sponsors - who could have a "RED-approved" product video (that they produce) posted for a fee.

Anyway, I think the whole concept is fantastic - excited to see how it develops.
 
Mark L. Pederson said:
Even better would be to get the school up online. I think www.Adobe.tv is a good example of how to do this. Reach the GLOBE instantly.

RED hardware and third party software are fast moving targets - having videos produces at the sessions and after the fact - would allow RED to be able to edit, remove and update videos as things change. YES this is a big undertaking with costs - but it could be set up as SaaS with a small monthly subscription to offset admin. costs - and you could also subsidize with third party sponsors - who could have a "RED-approved" product video (that they produce) posted for a fee.

Anyway, I think the whole concept is fantastic - excited to see how it develops.
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Red tv! sounds fantastic... could also help to clear up some of the camera and workflow issues and take some of the weight off the forum. a good way to keep upto date with all things Red
 
DVD and online stuff does sound good for post workflow- but I feel that the technical aspect will be much better hands on. Also, the interaction you have between people as you work on a project is very valuable. Going through the course of a production and asking questions as they arise simply can't be replaced.
 
Tim Whitcomb said:
I just paid a deposit and got this message after payment....

Safari can’t open the page “https://www.reducation.net/thanks.html” because it couldn’t establish a secure connection to the server “www.reducation.net”.

now what?
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THANK YOU
You will be notified of the upcoming training dates and location and confirmation of your attendance via email shortly. REDucation has a limited amounts of seats to insure ample hands on and proper instructor participant ratio and you will be notified with the training availability.

try this link:)

http://www.reducation.net/thanks.html
 
Raul Gonzo said:
DVD and online stuff does sound good for post workflow- but I feel that the technical aspect will be much better hands on. Also, the interaction you have between people as you work on a project is very valuable. Going through the course of a production and asking questions as they arise simply can't be replaced.
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100% agree.

I was suggesting a RED.tv to be an extension of REDucation. This way - people around the world can get access to information. And I think it's really important to acknowledge how fast all of this is moving. You can teach a "best practice" and three months later - there's firmware change, new third-party software, new third party hardware - and a new BETTER practice. I love "hand-on" workshops - this is the very best way to train - but I think there is a HUGE opportunity here to EXTEND the reach of REDucation - which could also feature INTERNALLY PRODUCED videos from time-to-time about key things related to the camera, etc.
 
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