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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

REDcolor3 and REDgamma3...

Yea, I absolutely agree with that, I guess I am just shocked at how low it can go... There isn't a need for a clear picture under moonlight, but being able to shoot like that does open a new door. Imagine a cat & mouse action sequence a'la Bond 007 in a place like Joshua Tree... with stars over-head.... I can see the whole sequence already... Canon does need to record a decent file, and a few more stops for deeper DoF might help, but that's wild sensor+NR stuff already.....

On the other hand, movies like Drive make great use of today's digital low-light capabilities. That movie delivered a stunning grade, but it was a baked-in 2k workflow in ProRes 4:4:4 from their A-camera. This makes me excited about Dragon, because I bet RED's next sensor release will at least match that kind of low-light capability, and do so while remaining RAW 16-bit over-4k-resolved, and thanks to REDCODE all delivered in non-gargantuan files...

You get it all. Always-available super high MTF 70mm film look for when you need it, a non-baked-in digital-negative always available and holding all original data, vivid night exteriors in low-light, gorgeous color and dynamic range, a small form-factor that allows for crazy shots from tight spots like car interiors, and you also get to spend the rental savings on lenses...
 
Roberto Lequeux said:
Yea, I absolutely agree with that, I guess I am just shocked at how low it can go... There isn't a need for a clear picture under moonlight, but being able to shoot like that does open a new door. Imagine a cat & mouse action sequence a'la Bond 007 in a place like Joshua Tree... with stars over-head.... I can see the whole sequence already... Canon does need to record a decent file, and a few more stops for deeper DoF might help, but that's wild sensor+NR stuff already.....

On the other hand, movies like Drive make great use of today's digital low-light capabilities. That movie delivered a stunning grade, but it was a baked-in 2k workflow in ProRes 4:4:4 from their A-camera. This makes me excited about Dragon, because I bet RED's next sensor release will at least match that kind of low-light capability, and do so while remaining RAW 16-bit over-4k-resolved, and thanks to REDCODE all delivered in non-gargantuan files...

You get it all. Always-available super high MTF 70mm film look for when you need it, a non-baked-in digital-negative always available and holding all original data, vivid night exteriors in low-light, gorgeous color and dynamic range, a small form-factor that allows for crazy shots from tight spots like car interiors, and you also get to spend the rental savings on lenses...
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to my knowledge "Drive" was recorded onto HDcamSR and not prorez.
 
Evin Grant said:
No matter how you cut it 8bit 4:2:2 H264 is not an "A" camera originating format that can be manipulated to a requisite level for production quality.
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People tried telling that to the Act of Valor DP, but he just wouldn't listen, and now look what's happened to the film!

Oh wait.

(I'm just kidding, I'm sure he'd rather not have an 8-bit 4:2:0 H.264 recording.)
 
Evin Grant said:
Seeing in the dark is fun but does me no good if I can't do much with the image once it's recorded. No matter how you cut it 8bit 4:2:2 H264 is not an "A" camera originating format that can be manipulated to a requisite level for production quality.

Rob, yes for the most part 1 & 1 but even processing MX footage through my rocket with 2 & 2 you can see a difference in Epic material.
It's cleaner, smoother, more highlight retention (clips later) and the colors just seem more naturaly pleasing.
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Evin, I would love top see side by side of 2+2 from both cams. Our Epic is almost always out on long rentals, but we are trying to promote buying a second one to our financing. This would help sell this
 
Erich Ocean said:
People tried telling that to the Act of Valor DP, but he just wouldn't listen, and now look what's happened to the film!

Oh wait.

(I'm just kidding, I'm sure he'd rather not have an 8-bit 4:2:0 H.264 recording.)
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What happened?
 
Erich Ocean said:
People tried telling that to the Act of Valor DP, but he just wouldn't listen, and now look what's happened to the film! Oh wait. (I'm just kidding, I'm sure he'd rather not have an 8-bit 4:2:0 H.264 recording.)
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As far as I know, the Bandito Brothers shot most of this feature on film, with some occasional shots on a Canon 7D and a 1D. Company 3 did the DI, and I'd be surprised if the movie looked bad.

I've worked with DP Shane Hurlbut before (on Swing Vote), and he's a very, very sharp guy who does beautiful work.
 
I am, of course very excited about RG3 and RC3 and yet I am happy to give Jim and Graeme et al some more time to make it right..... From what I know it is worth waiting a little longer...


My 2 cents
 
Marc Wielage said:
As far as I know, the Bandito Brothers shot most of this feature on film, with some occasional shots on a Canon 7D and a 1D. Company 3 did the DI, and I'd be surprised if the movie looked bad.

I've worked with DP Shane Hurlbut before (on Swing Vote), and he's a very, very sharp guy who does beautiful work.
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That's cool you've worked with him, but your numbers are backwards. See: http://www.btlnews.com/crafts/camera/act-of-valor-immersive-filmmaking-with-the-canon-5d/

Money quote:

Besides shooting 75% of the film on the Canon 5D, 20% was shot in 35 mm and the aerial footage, which was 5% of the total was shot using the Sony F950.
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Rob Ruffo said:
Is that true? Has this been proven?
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Yeah, I've seen it, it might be hard to notice but it effects the feeling of the scene. My two eyes, as probably many, see color slightly differently. It is all a matter of response to your eye signals (and how those signals are formed in the first place). As the mix of signals change your color balance changes. Might not matter too much for most, but is worth coming back and reviewing before finalising, which is what you should be done anyway. Apart from different foods/substances, effecting different colors differently, sleep and rest, fatigue and etc etc should also. Good night's sleep and good diet are a good balanced place to start on the first day and end on the last day before you decide to commit.
 
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