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Redcine command line

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Stu Maschwitz

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Redcine is pretty sweet. Real sexy, Scratch-like, powerful, lotsa options, layered timeline, grade versions, etc. It's super cool that it's available not just to camera owners but to everyone. It is a great, great thing.

But I think at the end of the day, I would prefer a command-line application. I would like to distribute R3D conversions across a render farm. I'd like to do them on machines without state-of-the-art video cards. I'd like conversions to run in the background in CPU on an 8-core machine.

I'd use Redcine to determine the best settings and then I'd like to just fire-and-forget, batch out a ton of stuff in the background.

Redcine itself could use the command-line renderer. When you press the Big Red Button it would launch the standalone renderer and then you could get on with your life while your R3Ds cooked in the bg.

-Stu
 
ProLost said:
Redcine is pretty sweet. Real sexy, Scratch-like, powerful, lotsa options, layered timeline, grade versions, etc. It's super cool that it's available not just to camera owners but to everyone. It is a great, great thing.

But I think at the end of the day, I would prefer a command-line application. I would like to distribute R3D conversions across a render farm. I'd like to do them on machines without state-of-the-art video cards. I'd like conversions to run in the background in CPU on an 8-core machine.

I'd use Redcine to determine the best settings and then I'd like to just fire-and-forget, batch out a ton of stuff in the background.

Redcine itself could use the command-line renderer. When you press the Big Red Button it would launch the standalone renderer and then you could get on with your life while your R3Ds cooked in the bg.

-Stu
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I 100% agree with you Stu. Redcine is a great front end to what should be an otherwise modular system.

I think Red has command line tools in development and a way to get Redcine settings over to the command line. I'm working on that anyways in my software.
For the time being F11 puts Redcine in the background during renders etc.

IBloom
 
It's coming. I've been pestering Graeme about it since before they announced REDCine. I think I've even been pestering him about it since before REDUser. :sorcerer:
 
And if we could use it to conform.. we could generate quicktime proxies in RED alert with settings interchangeable with REDcine and saved in metadata; quickly get into editing in fcp and use REDcine to go back to the R3d files to conform for the grade
 
Yes, that would be ideal -- or the same workflow without the proxies (just editing R3D in FCP). If Redcine could read a FCP XML file and create a timeline, that would be wicked.

-Stu
 
ProLost said:
But I think at the end of the day, I would prefer a command-line application. I would like to distribute R3D conversions across a render farm. I'd like to do them on machines without state-of-the-art video cards. I'd like conversions to run in the background in CPU on an 8-core machine.
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Stu, you realize that you've just described the CineForm command-line non-GPU-dependent R3D converter that got banned for being unauthorized?

Red has hinted that by NAB they will hopefully un-ban it, so you will always have that option?

On the plus side I'd say RedCine is looking to be one of the few official "company santioned" RAW conversion tools that doesn't suck (well, once Apple fixes their drivers, etc) - so I am crossing fingers that Red will buck the trend of Nikon, Sony, Canon, etc etc... (Nikon's Capture NX / Canon File Viewer Utility / ZoomBrowser EX / Sony's Picture and Motion Browser / blah blah blah). The Phase One / Capture One of the digital cinema world?

ProLost said:
Yes, that would be ideal -- or the same workflow without the proxies (just editing R3D in FCP). If Redcine could read a FCP XML file and create a timeline, that would be wicked.

-Stu
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You've seen IBloom's script, right?
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7718

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Right, and while I have all kinds of respect for the cineform cats, I'm still quite enthusiastic about providing feedback to the red team on how I would like to work with their camera and the footage it creates.

-Stu
 
Please don't speculate. You're assuming alot of things that only a few people are privvy to and the assumptions are misinformed.
 
Unprivvied speculation gone.

Of course... I'm not sure how much more clear:
'This may be in violation of our exclusivity agreements.'
and
'We strongly request that you not release these tools.'

can be misinterpreted as anything but... "please don't release these tools because it might get us in trouble."
 
Thanks Gavin.

Public statements don't give you the full picture and the conclusions can be misleading in either direction. It ends up dragging out the issue forever with more and more speculation.
 
Ouch. Okay. Sorry. Will not mention again. I like RedCine, I like Red, I like Assimilate.

And you guys are doing a lot to help me untrain myself from my "throw away the stupid processing software that comes with the camera and move to 3rd party tools as fast as possible to squeeze / hack more out of the camera" mindset.

I must say, it has served me well in the past, and I think Graeme subscribes to it too:
http://www.lafcpug.org/Tutorials/basic_chroma_sample.html
...his article where he took apart DV vs Beta etc and examined different methods of decoding the chroma info was classic "squeeze / hack as much quality out of the camera as possible and who cares what Sony thinks" and a big wake-up call for me about the way this wonderful new digital world was going.

Anyway, part of the coolness of Red is that now the hackers have started their own company! That gives us the best of both worlds - crazy image-quality-obsessed hardware and software folks working together to get the most out of the image pipeline.

Anyway, hope you are forgiving of your fans with hacker-ish tendencies. We mean well.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Back to scheduled programme...

How many people will actually use a command line?
Stu, Gavin, Anders, Mark and maybe a handful more?

Don't get me wrong, I've more than 20 years time in commandlineland
(irix, sun, tru64, linux, osx, ...) and these days very very few people care about command line tools.
 
I would fully expect every single major post studio that touches RED footage will use command line tools in some capacity just like every 3D studio has a maxscript, mel or python programmer on the team.

Heck we're just a 4 man shop and we've got two maxscript coders and are looking to hire a C# multiplatform developer for 2-3 months.

I think every VFX shop that touches redfootage will ask for the redcode files. And all of them will probably want renderfarm support.

Plus for every shop that uses command line tools directly there'll probably be 20 more who use the freeware and commercial tools which exploit the command line interface or contract out some horsepower to get those faster than real-time dailies.
 
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