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Redcine + 8 Cores

Tonaci Tran

Tonaci Tran

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To the REDCINE coding team,
Now that apple has released an 8 core monster..does this mean you have to put more work into coding REDCINE to effectively take advantage of all 8 cores?
Have you ordered your 8 core monster yet? hehe
 
Processing footage is something that should scale pretty easily to an arbitrarily large number of cores. Have eight cores? Just process eight frames at once.

However, we know REDCINE can also leverage the GPU. That makes things a bit more complex. Maybe you'd get more bang for you buck with a quad core machine that had a faster graphics card?
 
Are these 8-core machines for real? How far off are PCs from 8-core? I saw in the latest Dell catalog that top-end XPS systems are shipping with quad-cores right now.
 
Tom said:
Are these 8-core machines for real? How far off are PCs from 8-core? I saw in the latest Dell catalog that top-end XPS systems are shipping with quad-cores right now.
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Right, but you can have two quad core processors, for a total of eight cores.
 
Tom said:
Are these 8-core machines for real?
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They sure are:

http://www.apple.com/macpro/

I'm going to wait as long as absolutely possible before buying a system to edit RED footage. My Rev. A Dual 2GHz G5 is still going strong (when dealing with SD footage...) :meh:
 
Jaime Vallés said:
They sure are:

http://www.apple.com/macpro/

I'm going to wait as long as absolutely possible before buying a system to edit RED footage. My Rev. A Dual 2GHz G5 is still going strong (when dealing with SD footage...) :meh:
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This is very wise, and I think everyone here is beginning to understand this. Computers are improving so quickly these days that if you buy a top-end machine in the Spring, by late Summer you will be reading the latest catalogs and realizing your machine is already severely outdated.

I bought a kick-ass system last June, and by Oct/Nov the same chip could be had in Dell's bargain basement PCs for 1/3 of what I paid. I'd say get your system up and running no sooner than about a month before you are ready to use it for RED work. And do lots of homework about what is coming out.
 
kinobairn said:
8 cores are new to macs, but not to PCs. You've actually been able to get an 8 core or more system in a PC for several months now. Mac is offering a sweet system, but they aren't the first with 8 cores, they're actually close to last.
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Apple seems to have been holding out for the 3 GHz quad core chips. (Which Dell isn't offering yet, though they probably will be fairly soon.)
 
Here is something maybe Graeme can answer without taking thunder away from NAB: Will RedCine and the new Codec take advantage of multi-processor machines?

I'm pretty sure that 8 cores won't do us much good on individual applications unless the software takes advantage of it--it will just allow us to run more more applications at once.

Hopefully RedCine and the new FCP and Shake will take advantage of all of the processors and more memory, otherwise it only helps us to run more applications at once which doesn't do much good to speed up Renders.
 
Quad core, Eight core. It's all good, but now I'm going to have to build a separate room just for the CPU since I'm sure they'll run MUCH hotter than my Dual 2.0 does already. :(
 
insanityfw said:
Quad core, Eight core. It's all good, but now I'm going to have to build a separate room just for the CPU since I'm sure they'll run MUCH hotter than my Dual 2.0 does already. :(
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Just think of what you'll save on heating bills! Actually, from what I hear, the new Mac Pros run much cooler than the G5's. My main edit machine now is a 2.5 G5 and mine definately rivals any space heater.
 
Yeah, actually the Mac Pros are really cool and really quiet. I haven't seen/heard an 8-core in person but when I turned on my quad I thought it was broken... nope just really quiet (except the hard disks are much more noticeable without all of that fan noise). Can't say I miss the G5 wine all day!
 
no comment from Graeme yet? we all should wait til NAB to see the recommanded specs for redcine...
 
ludmux said:
no comment from Graeme yet? we all should wait til NAB to see the recommanded specs for redcine...
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Give him 24 hours, he just got his Eight core MacPro serial number 008 and he's doing a new build of Redcine to see how he can optimize it !!!!!!!!

I'm sure if it's worthwile for Redcine to take advantage of eight cores (which I'm sure it is), the Red team will make sure Redcine does so, as soon as possible, which may be in a future update.

Cheers,
Damien
 
REDCINE and multiple processors was discussed a while back in this thread here. Rob gave a little insight, but I'm guessing that we'll get all the juicy bits at NAB (as with everything else lately). Post #18 is especially informative.
 
tonaci said:
http://www.macrumors.com/2007/04/06/apple-using-exclusive-3ghz-xeon-from-intel/
but at least first to have 8 core 3.0s.
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Intel has been doing this a lot over the last year or so... Giving one vendor exclusive buys on a new chip model. They did it in November with HP and gave them a nearly 45 day advantage by allowing them the exclusive to the 2.66GHz quad-core Xeon. Now Apple has secured the 3GHz model for at least a 30 day cycle.

The more I look at it, this 8-core update from Apple is nothing more than a marketing stunt or something they're doing just because they can. They have an exclusive for a few weeks on the 3GHz chips so they're going to use them. I would still bet we see a bigger Mac Pro update in another 2 to 3 months as Apple will do doubt ship newer systems with the upcoming Stoakley/Seaburg chipset. I wouldn't even be surprised if such a system is *announced* at NAB. The updated Intel chipset gives 44 PCI-E lanes, PCI-E 2.0, faster FSB options and a more efficient memory controller. Intel's new chipset should be shipping to OEMs by the end of April to sometime in May. In typical Apple fashion, that translates to late June, maybe even mid July for incorporation into a system. Intel will be shipping updated CPU models by then too.

I'm eager to see what Apple comes out with when the real update hits. But I won't buy until they do something to fix the dismal graphics options.
 
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