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RED vs Scary license terms for DSLR video

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Well, if anything could kill the recent DSLR video craze, it's this:

Why Our Civilization's Video Art and Culture is Threatend by the MPEG-LA

I thought it was interesting that RED was specifically mentioned as just about the only company whose products were not covered by this license.

Is this article accurate? On the face of it, the terms offered by MPEG-LA seem amazingly bad for everyone but, well, MPEG-LA.

It seems like a really, really good reason to dump the DSLR and get a Scarlet 3K.

Is getting around this part of the thinking behind the RED RAY and its new codec?

Wow, the more I meet these "establishment" companies, the less I like them and the more I admire RED.

Thoughts?

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Yeah not kidding I had in fact removed my content form Vimeo, youtube long ago, this is something that almost every one I now, does not know, till I tell them..

Red is the way to go, period, but even here at some point when using video streaming sites such as Vimeo and Youtube a=you get in to the same trap, so I always suggest to only pst fun stuff or something the links to the real thing, but not even a trailer of the actual content you are trying to sale, as to avoid any issues if your material does get sold.
 
Uh wait a second- I can't make a Blu-Ray without h.264, so I'm guessing if I produce a low-budget blu-ray or if h.264 is part of my workflow I have to find someone to pay a royalty to? How is that supposed to work, or are they just supposed to sue me after my project is finished?
 
I found this tidbit on Wikipedia so take it with a grain of un-checked source skepticism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC

In 2005, Qualcomm, which was the assignee of US Patents 5,452,104,[13] and 5,576,767[14] sued Broadcom in US District Court, alleging that Broadcom infringed the two patents by making products that were compliant with the H.264 video compression standard.[15] In 2007, the District Court found that the patents were unenforceable because Qualcomm had partially withheld information from the United States Patent and Trademark Office prior to the release of the H.264 standard in May 2003. In December 2008, the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit affirmed the District Court's order that the patents be unenforceable but remanded to the District Court with instructions to limit the scope of unenforceability to H.264 compliant products.
 
JD, I suspect this is sort of like law enforcement in a third world country - they ignore you until you are big enough to be worth squashing and then they kill you off with lawyers. I have an email in to them asking about this (in a civil way, never fear) and I will report back with any results.

KETCH ROSSI said:
Yeah not kidding I had in fact removed my content form Vimeo, youtube long ago, this is something that almost every one I now, does not know, till I tell them..

Red is the way to go, period, but even here at some point when using video streaming sites such as Vimeo and Youtube a=you get in to the same trap, so I always suggest to only pst fun stuff or something the links to the real thing, but not even a trailer of the actual content you are trying to sale, as to avoid any issues if your material does get sold.
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Doesn't YouTube's license for the codec cover you in that case?

Well, Ketch, this sure does kill my desire to upgrade my D300 to a D300S stone cold dead. (Despite being a great admirer of Jim and the RED team, I can't quite afford an actual RED camera, although hopefully this will change with Scarlet Fixed.) But I was doing experimental video with a Canon Vixia HF100, which is really a nice little camera, and this makes commercial use with it probematical indeed.

(By the way, I admire your exploits with the Tiramisu. Amazing how much a thoughtful gesture can stick in people's minds. Especially when there are pretty girls around. No, I have never met you, but you seem like the happiest man on the planet save Jim, and for that I salute you :) ).

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FAQ on the MPEG-LA here. Not as scary as it seems at first glance. Primarily the payments are charged to hardware and software manufacturers and commercial duplicators. If you used products from licensed manufacturers and service providers you are covered.

Be nice to have high quality open source alternatives though.
 
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