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RED STATION MINI

Thunderbolt accessories, coming to a galaxy near you. Sometime. I'm amazed at how slowly it is being adopted. I suppose the PC market will have to drive it.
 
Not to rain on anyone's parade here, but the devices that Clone drives all seem to require a 'standard' hardware connection for all drives connected.

Since the RED mag drives have a proprietary interface format / connection (maybe even an unusual pin out), it sure looks as if you won't be able to connect
them directly to any of the 'Clone' devices.

But what if you could find/build/sell a cable that goes from the RED Mag's pins to the standard SATA configuration ! If this would make the scheme work,
you could probably sell a bundle of these cables.

Hint -- RED, this would be a REALLY NICE accessory. It really shouldn't cannibalize or negatively impact the sale of RED Mags. And if your RED Station died, you
could still get at your footage.


I could very well be wrong here, about the incompatibility and/or a way around it, but the idea of a way to directly offload your footage sure has appeal.

FWIW -
Serge
 
Thunderbolt is great. it is awesome. but to date the adoption has been almost non-existent. The chipsets are incredibly expensive, ( i.e. expect to pay 2x the price for a REDSTATION ) the cables are incredibly expensive ( 10x as expensive as a Esata or USB 3 cable ) , and the power for portable devices is a bit sideways. I have no doubt that when it gets it's footing and someone actually really adopts it ( not sure why its taking so long ) it will be the go-to choice. Its just not there yet. USB3 is really kicking Thunderbolt's ass right now, even though thunderbolt is better setup for the future.

And I really don't understand the current Thunderbolt power thing. It is the reason why ESATA never really took off other than professional applications in my opinion. no power to the device. I was so damn excited to get my Lacie Thunderbolt Little Big Disk drive for my laptop.. but as soon as I opened the box and realized that i needed to plug it into the wall every time with a big wall wart ( something the Lacie Little Big drives never had to do in the past ) I threw it against the wall. Portable drives that you need to plug into the wall is just plain retarded.

I almost wish Firewire grew up instead of meeting its death ( or near death ).. i really think it was a great interface for many reasons.. it just never took the next step for speed.

So let us see if the PC guys (when the thunderbolt doors are opened to them) can make it a winner.. right now it is just not there yet.
 
JanneJansson said:
Or don't mess arround. Just do a raw sata dump to another commercial SSD using a sata-cloner/copier. Runs as fast the commercial SSD/sata can handle. For pure fast-download-low-cost setup is far superior.
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Do you recommend a specific model?
 
Jarred Land said:
Thunderbolt is great. it is awesome. but to date the adoption has been almost non-existent. The chipsets are incredibly expensive, ( i.e. expect to pay 2x the price for a REDSTATION ) the cables are incredibly expensive ( 10x as expensive as a Esata or USB 3 cable ) , and the power for portable devices is a bit sideways. I have no doubt that when it gets it's footing and someone actually really adopts it ( not sure why its taking so long ) it will be the go-to choice. Its just not there yet. USB3 is really kicking Thunderbolt's ass right now, even though thunderbolt is better setup for the future.

And I really don't understand the current Thunderbolt power thing. It is the reason why ESATA never really took off other than professional applications in my opinion. no power to the device. I was so damn excited to get my Lacie Thunderbolt Little Big Disk drive for my laptop.. but as soon as I opened the box and realized that i needed to plug it into the wall every time with a big wall wart ( something the Lacie Little Big drives never had to do in the past ) I threw it against the wall. Portable drives that you need to plug into the wall is just plain retarded.

I almost wish Firewire grew up instead of meeting its death ( or near death ).. i really think it was a great interface for many reasons.. it just never took the next step for speed.

So let us see if the PC guys (when the thunderbolt doors are opened to them) can make it a winner.. right now it is just not there yet.
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thanks so much for the insight... MUCH appreciated for purchase decisions. esata hardly sucks with SSD - people forget the original FULL red drive and FW lol

I'm more than happy with the current speeds until we get into Dragon and more and more data... thank heavens for REDCODE... its the true magic of shooting Red
 
Jarred Land said:
And I really don't understand the current Thunderbolt power thing. It is the reason why ESATA never really took off other than professional applications in my opinion. no power to the device. I was so damn excited to get my Lacie Thunderbolt Little Big Disk drive for my laptop.. but as soon as I opened the box and realized that i needed to plug it into the wall every time with a big wall wart ( something the Lacie Little Big drives never had to do in the past ) I threw it against the wall. Portable drives that you need to plug into the wall is just plain retarded.
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Yes, the power thing is a big issue, almost dropped $2000 for 4 of those puppies until I realized the tangle of wires and power supplies I would be dealing with, a real step backward in many respects.
 
Jarred Land said:
Thunderbolt is great. it is awesome. but to date the adoption has been almost non-existent.
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That's because Apple has a strangle-hold on it for the first year. In the spring, when other computers are allowed to have Thunderbolt, it will take off as long as manufacturers put 2 Thunderbolt ports on devices for daisy-chaining. If they don't do that it will fail. I think prices of the chipsets and cables will come down as more and more devices come out and adoption takes off.
 
Trevor Meier said:
You can do 10W over Thunderbolt - is that not enough for a RedStation?
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The thunderbolt cables are active... The cables alone gobble up half that power all by themselves... Then add the currently power hungry chipset on the end... And there isn't very much left over.

We will enter the game when the time is right... But that time is not right now for portable devices.
 
I hope what I say makes sense since I've never been very knowledgeable in computer technology, but if the thunderbolt port doesn't provide enough power to make the disk work, couldn't it work like the current red station by connecting to the USB port for power? Wouldn't this work?
 
SATA was never meant to be external or hot pluggable. I hate eSATA. I'm glad USB3 and Thunderbolt are here to kill it. Let's keep SATA cables inside out machines where they belong. I feel like I have to cross my fingers anytime I use something that is eSATA.
 
I personally think eSata is so much better than USB 3...

Ive had nothing but problems with USB 3.
 
Jarred Land said:
but as soon as I opened the box and realized that i needed to plug it into the wall every time with a big wall wart ( something the Lacie Little Big drives never had to do in the past ) I threw it against the wall.
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You doing a TOIA!
 
Jarek Zabczynski said:
SATA was never meant to be external or hot pluggable. I hate eSATA. I'm glad USB3 and Thunderbolt are here to kill it. Let's keep SATA cables inside out machines where they belong. I feel like I have to cross my fingers anytime I use something that is eSATA.
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THIS!

It may be fast (and it is indeed - way faster then FW800) but the cables are a real pain, the express-card adapters at (mobile) Macs can be troublesome and the whole handling is sub-par (connectors, cables, prone to movement of the setup...). It is fast - but I really don't trust (e)SATA. It was never meant as a real external in-field solution imo.
 
When you say USB3 you're referring to pc only because Mac doesn't support it. At least that's what I know since I've purchased my MacBook a few months ago.
 
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