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What is the minimum time taken from power on to rolling? Don't want to be chewing those batteries or missing those moments.

Fence
 
Do a search. I remember Stuart or Rob or Graeme discussing that a while back.
 
Can't seem to find it, anyone know off hand?
 
Not of great help if you are doco. shooting where your subject often has thought ahead differently. This is a pretty important issue for anyone thinking about using the red one for docos. An HDcam or similar is slow enough when you are rushing to get things spun up to shoot and its all happening and unfolding before you.

Fence
 
There was talk of a short pre-record function of 5- 10 seconds I think.

I don't know if it will make it inb the 1.0 version or later. I tried to look for it but my eyes are bleery after a long day.

Keep asking and Stuart or Rob will show up eventually and answer it or someone who remembers that discussion.

You are not alone... many of us want that feature.

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.

aloha,

Keith
 
Pre record has little to do with boot time as it has more to do with capturing events before the moment of recording. Being data centric I fear these cameras are going to take a moment to load and check systems. Too long and they relegate themselves to certain types of setup filmmaking only.

Thanks for the reply, though.
 
Yeah if you want to do a shot you have to plan far ahead, like you want to shoot the New Year's celebration? You're looking at New Year's 2009 at the earliest. ;) haha, j/k.
 
Anybody got a real answer, too long and it's a deal breaker?
 
Deal breaker? why?

What are you comparing it to? what time does it have to beat?

Just get another battery, or standby power solution.
 
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I would be inclined to believe it's somewhere between 1 second and 1 minute.

If a freshly installed windows system can boot in <45 seconds I would imagine that would be the upper end on the wait time.
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I heard in general that the RED was, and I quote, "faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound." So I wouldn't worry about it too much. ;)
 
Doesn't have to beat anything other than the time it takes to capture the moment at hand. Getting the story on the screen at any resolution beats 4k any day. Yes a bucket load of batteries can allow one to leave the camera on all day but is that really practical. I'm not a fan boy by any stretch of the imagination but hard figures sell cameras to people who are interested in real answers. I like what you are working towards but I'm not going to compromise onset workflow for the emporers new clothes. Real solutions to real questions is the key here. Please convince me. Great concept but have you answers to the hard questions. Easy to talk big picture and I applaud you for what you have shown but there are gaping holes in the knowledge base and that is why you still have skeptics.I'm talking from the POV of someone who has an Aaton XTR prod that makes money in a real world environment and I want to offer a real world solution to a digital alternative.
 
The answer is there are no finished production cameras yet so we don't know. But we do know that whatever it is, it will still be a 4K camera at a 1K price.
 
So you are trying to tell me that they were about to ship the camera with a schedule for delivery and they are now fine tuning and wrangling suppliers but no one has tried to turn the camera on and press roll and timed it. I would imagine in an environment where directors want to roll on a whim and battery power considerations are high on the target list of specs to meet that someone hasn't considered what if you conserved batteries and switched the thing off between takes. I know my computer never boots fast enough and this is the bug bear of many a cmputer user and especially those of us with laptops who are trying to conserve batteries where power isn't available...why shouldn't this be more of an issue with a digital camera? And to those who have suggested that just throw more batts. at it, put yourselves in the shoes of a doc. crew who are in the middle of nowhere with a battery budget as well as a weight requirement as you are lugging into a location. Ask the PM for another body who is going to lug your power in so that you can keep the camera on just in case.

See what looks you get.

And to those that say what you get for the price....if it isn't useable its a very expensive door stop.

I look forward to some hard figures because I'd love it to work. In fact I have had a technology like this (the kinetta) in my business plan for near on four years so would love to see some of the technology inspired by Jeff Kreines kit the market place.

Another qustion: As this is an issue of discloure above marketing hype. The features using prototype Red cameras, would they be paying for them at the going market rate or are they being accepted because the choice defers the payment of an otherwise high rental price for some other camera technology?
 
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So you are trying to tell me that they were about to ship the camera with a schedule for delivery and they are now fine tuning and wrangling suppliers but no one has tried to turn the camera on and press roll and timed it.
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Dude, you're getting pretty worked up over this. The reason nobody has given you an answer is because nobody has an answer. The folks that would have that answer are probably too busy fine-tuning and wrangling suppliers to keep up on every single thread post on the forums.

Just relax and wait for somebody that knows to post a real answer. Getting all huffy about it and comparing their brainchild to a doorstop isn't going to help things.
 
Fence,

This is very obviously your pet peeve about "digital anything". There are so many variables here. I just find this kind of "paranoia about getting the shot" absolutely ridiculous.

There has been some talk of the fact that the camera will have a pre record function. This means that if you are in the position of "getting the shot that will make your entire career", then you can leave the camera on and pointed at whatever you happen to be trying to capture.

You can do this knowing that the last 15 seconds or so, before you even hit record, was being recorded into RAM and would not be missed. So, presuming that this "feature" could very well be available, then what is the big problem. All you have to do is leave the camera powered up and have battery power to spare.

If you were a gun slinger and you have your gun in the holster, do you keep the bullets in the chamber, ready for a quick draw, or do you leave the bullets in your pocket.

I'll tell you what the deal breaker is. If the bullets are in your pocket.

You're dead.


David
 
Not huffy just frustrated at how such a basic requirment isn't a solid spec this late in the red game.
 
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