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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RED Rocket update...

Alrighty...

What HD-SDI output formats will be supported?
Will deck control function over USB?
What is the interface between the card and the breakout box?
Will REDCINE gain HD-SDI output?
Since R:A will be a realtime app, are there any interface adjustments being made? A file browser of sorts? Or still the same app?
Will there be Rocket-specific software at launch? Or will R:A and RR be our launch window realtime apps?
Can the card drive multiple physical outputs simultaneously? Meaning, could I run single-link 4:2:2 1080psf24 and a 4K monitor [or just a DVI monitor] and the GUI footage simultaneously?
Since the card can debayer 4K in realtime, will it be able to debayer 2K at 4x realtime? [assuming required data throughput]
Can the card scale from 4K 16:9 to 1080p in realtime, or should we still stick with "4K HD" quad HD for TV scaling?
Can the card handle all different RAW processing parameters in realtime? Or is it possible to ever actually hit a slowdown given adequate system throughput?
What is the form factor of the breakout box?
What does the card look like?

I think that about sums it up. :) Tons of questions, I know. We're 3 weeks from shipping, $500 in the hole and still don't know what we're buying. Thanks guys!
 
Hey Brook thanks for organizing those into a post.. Deanan will respond with as many answers he can shortly.
 
mmost said:
Crimson has enabled it to do exactly that for for over a year now. And if you would pay "a lot" for that capability, then surely less than $200 is within your budget.
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I've had Crimson since it came out. There are many known bugs that don't allow this to work the way we want. (Clip limits, file size limitations) This is NOT a solution for a lot of the work we do, which is interview based.
 
Hans, your app rocks. I have yet to get RED Cine even working close to the way it probably should be at this point. Is it even out of beta after a year and a half? To me, they've really just dropped any attention towards it...that's what it seems. If they had even half the number of updates to it that you've done with Clipfinder, I'm sure it would awesome!

Again, I'm not sure if others are using it on a PC and have better luck, but I have a horrible time rendering things out of RED Cine on a Mac. Unless you're doing one clip at a time.

By the way, we don't have enough regular post work in the Raleigh area to justify Scratch. We're already pretty far into this with all of the shooting gear, RED Rocket, the primes on the way, etc. for a small market. I guess when I said I would pay a lot, I meant equivalent to most software-based solutions. I would gladly do a couple or few grand if it worked as I mentioned and was solid. $20k is out of my reach right now.

Hopefully the Red Rocket can help some of this.

Thanks.

Kevin

Hans von Sonntag said:
Kevin,

you know that Scratch is RedCine "Pro"?

There are others who build nice apps that excatly do (and much more) than RedCine - such as SpeedGrade XR for instance. They are just not for free - on the contrary. Like with cameras: you get what you pay for, sometimes more, sometimes less. RedCine is a free app that was developed in the very beginning to complement the RedOne nicely but never took off - for various reasons I don't know.

You actually say "you would pay a lot for that"... check out assimilate.com and iridas.com

Hans
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Ian Bloom has a rather big surprise coming - and it's NOT called Crimson.

It's the kind of application that will have the "three A's" asking themselves ... "why didn't we do that?"

When the Red Rocket ships - it will be a significant tool.
 
That sounds cool. Looking forward to what Ian's got cooking.

Just to be clear, I know Crimson & Cine work for some people doing films, spots or music videos where clips are short. But for some larger corporate stuff where interview clips are 20-30 minutes long, it was a no-go per Ian himself due to stuff out of his control due to clip size or file size limitations.

I'm excited to hear he has a new tool in the works. Looking forward to it.

Thanks for the tipoff, Mark. Ian-Want to give us any more hints?

Kevin
 
Brook Willard said:
1. What HD-SDI output formats will be supported?
2. Will deck control function over USB?
3. What is the interface between the card and the breakout box?
4. Will REDCINE gain HD-SDI output?
5. Since R:A will be a realtime app, are there any interface adjustments being made? A file browser of sorts? Or still the same app?
6. Will there be Rocket-specific software at launch? Or will R:A and RR be our launch window realtime apps?
7. Can the card drive multiple physical outputs simultaneously? Meaning, could I run single-link 4:2:2 1080psf24 and a 4K monitor [or just a DVI monitor] and the GUI footage simultaneously?
8. Since the card can debayer 4K in realtime, will it be able to debayer 2K at 4x realtime? [assuming required data throughput]
9. Can the card scale from 4K 16:9 to 1080p in realtime, or should we still stick with "4K HD" quad HD for TV scaling?
10. Can the card handle all different RAW processing parameters in realtime? Or is it possible to ever actually hit a slowdown given adequate system throughput?
11. What is the form factor of the breakout box?
12. What does the card look like?
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1. Standard HD formats... P and PsF.

2. Deck control will need to be via usb or serial on host computer.

3. The same breakout cables for dvi drive the BOB.

4-6. We'll have a new RA version with rocket support.

7. This is dependent on timing and rasters it needs to drive. If the two outputs meet certain shared criteria, then yes. More on this once we get more time to extend functionality testing.

8. double 4k speeds for sure but we don't know the upper limit until we're done tweaking.

9. yes. it supports scaling 4k to HD in realtime.

10. All the processing based on camera metadata is realtime. (ie. debayer, color, tone)

11. 1U sized similar to the Kona3 BOB.

12. Yo mama (single slot, close to full size with a slot filler for the hd-sdi bnc's)


Also, as is normal around here, more functionality will be added/enabled to the card and software/sdk. Expect to see updates for more functionality.
 
This sounds awesome, Deanan. Now get that SDK to Apple and tell them to get to work!

How killer will it be to EDIT these files realtime without transcode, color correct realtime and be done with it...

Thanks for the information.

Kevin
 
Crux Pro

Crux Pro

Mark L. Pederson said:
Ian Bloom has a rather big surprise coming - and it's NOT called Crimson.

It's the kind of application that will have the "three A's" asking themselves ... "why didn't we do that?"

When the Red Rocket ships - it will be a significant tool.
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Adobe, Apple, and Avid are content to sit in the corner and lick their balls.

:prrr:


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Deanan said:
4-6. We'll have a new RA version with rocket support.
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Upon release, what software will PC users be able to use with RR?

(Any inexpensive options?)
 
If it's realtime out of Red Alert doesn't this mean it will do anything Red Alert can do? Or will some things be non-realtime?
 
4K edits playback software

4K edits playback software

With Red Rocket available soon, we also need either RedCine or some other application to playback my offline cuts with full debayering to 4K from Mac.

What's the red offer?
 
Hans, your app rocks. I have yet to get RED Cine even working close to the way it probably should be at this point. Is it even out of beta after a year and a half? To me, they've really just dropped any attention towards it...that's what it seems. If they had even half the number of updates to it that you've done with Clipfinder, I'm sure it would awesome!
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Kevin,

That's a different Hans you were replying to.
I wouldn't comment on RedCine.
Thanks anyway for the kind words.

Cheers,
(the other) Hans
 
Those of you asking for software in the $1-2K range need only look at Adobe Production Premium CS4.1 for an end to end workflow.

Clipfinder, Crimson etc are at this point only necessary on the Mac side if you use FCP.

Seriously, for Mac faithful, take a look at CS4.1 and be amazed at real time, online 4K workflow with NO transcoding necessary until final rendering to your chosen output format. Go and check out the training videos in the Adobe sub-forum here if you want to see it in action. Side bonus is cross-platform workflow so no one needs to convert to intermediate XML EDLs to go between systems.

Aside from that, I too wish RedCine would be updated more regularly, since RedAlert, RedRushes and RedLine are Mac only apps.

In fact, I'll broaden that and say that ALL Red apps should be cross-platform so no side of the fence is left needing hacks to make things work as intended....

Cheers,

Paul
 
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