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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Red Render Farm

meeotch said:
Now if you can just explain this "rattle your dags" business, we'll be even.
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I'm always fascinated by those little linguistic weird things.

Now, rattle your dags... Yes... Okay...

So when a sheep, with a fairly long coat, passes, uh, excreta, sometimes small amounts of it can stick to wool around the sheep's bum. These dried bits of sheep 'dirt' are colloquially known as 'dags'.

When a sheep with dags decides (or is encouraged) to run it is said to make a slight rattling noise and the dags hit one another. This is rattling dags. So to "rattle your dags" means to hurry up, or run along.

Further, someone who is a bit of a 'card' or a 'joker' may be reffered to as a 'dag'... To wit: "That Jim Jannard, he's a bit of a dag eh? Who have thought he would actually make that bloody camera of his".

And for many New Zealanders there would also be a high rising terminal on that last sentence, because they talk like that for some reason.
 
What about to add it to Compresor :) Link i can send from RedCine to Compresor File to render , and i will youse Compresor network render :) I thing that this solution will be in new compresor , Apple need to worki with it.
DeadLine render is very nice software for render Farm . WE have 200 CPU render farm , and test almost all software , DeadLine is best.
 
I think you mean Qmaster rather than compressor, right? We're working on Qmaster integration but there are some hurdles do getting it do everything we need it to.
 
Qmaster would be great... especially with a step by step guide as a partner to it.

Would it be possible to work in RedCine and send off clips to renderfarm as you finish one light?

I'd love it not only to be a "batch convert to a more convenient format" tool, but more like: Finish one-light and get DPX/proxy from renderfarm simultainously (after cuts)

I don't mind OSX as I need an OSX renderfarm for other stuff too...

Gunleik
 
Certainly possible.

I'd like to hear what other OSX compatible rendermanagers people like. I personally like Rush but it's a bit pricey. I don't like SGE much.
 
Honestly build a render farm full of OSX boxes only dont buy them from apple, if you build 10 systems you will save more than $20000. Whether its illegal or not it will be legal in the near future, Apple will have no choice. And who's to say what you have in the companies basement? All a client sees is a remote desktop controlling ten computers... Not the actual boxes, Hell if your really worried create a custom bios logo of the Apple start up and put a fancy apple sticker on the side of the box, you cant get any closer... Besides if apple drops the ball you can put ANY operating system on your 10 boxes and use something better if or when its available. Hardware is hardware, I will never buy a PC in a grey heavy Aluminum case with a apple engraved on the side... Its just overpriced and underclocked... No control and no technical support. No Hardware customization, These Custom systems are more stable than Apples hardware because apple implements many things into their OS to keep it from working on PC's, that it slows down the actual (Mac) Hardware its running on. If all that crap is cut out of the system, its free to work at full potential, even under intense water cooling overclocking situations. Its just cheaper and more efficient. If we make a stand the legality will emerge before we know it. These Mac Pro boxes are not Universal in operating systems like a normal PC is... So why waste the time with buying Apple Hardware render engines?? Yeah I know I got a business too, but we have to make a stand to apple if this is how we think they should be, hell if they charge double for a PC license or triple its still $1000's cheaper...

If your not in the US, I would strongly suggest going this route. I'm in LA and I will buy a Leopard license for every computer I build even after the day its legalized. Apple developers are the ones doing all the work so you trust them already right? These are not meager Hackers doing all the work... They are Pros just like us.
 
I like the idea of OSX on a non-Mac box, but I don't think it's a great idea to promote it so much at the moment. Like it or not, it is currently illegal in most places. Also, it's not simple and far from foolproof.
 
Deanan said:
I'd like to hear what other OSX compatible rendermanagers people like. I personally like Rush but it's a bit pricey. I don't like SGE much.
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I've always found Qmaster to be sort of flaky. Rush is fairly solid, but a pita to set up, comparatively. I've always wanted to try rolling my own from Condor [link] - supposed to be pretty sophisticated.
 
Sycophant said:
So when a sheep, with a fairly long coat, passes, uh, excreta, sometimes small amounts of it can stick to wool around the sheep's bum. These dried bits of sheep 'dirt' are colloquially known as 'dags'.
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Oh, man - that is way nastier than I expected.

w.r.t. "illegal" OSX - surely if you patched your own, legally purchased copy, then it's only a breach of their EULA? And that's a legal grey area, afaik. At least in the States. Then again, if you're trying to just buying macs to get access to quicktime, surely there are other ways to save money.

mitch

p.s. - I didn't put together the connection between you & the SolidStore thing. I'm all over that when you've got it ready, for sure.
 
meeotch said:
I've always found Qmaster to be sort of flaky. Rush is fairly solid, but a pita to set up, comparatively. I've always wanted to try rolling my own from Condor [link] - supposed to be pretty sophisticated.
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I worked on a Condor based render farm at Cinesite Hollywood (back when that still existed!) and _HATED_ it. Could have been the implementation or amount of traffic on the servers, but I found it to be slooooooooow at every stage. Rush is the best task distributing app I've ever used (tho the implementation of Alfred at MVFX was quite good, too).

Smedge is a nice app for those that don't have the funds for RUSH. It's inexpensive, cross-platform (I think it is by now...), and I've used it successfully on smaller renderfarms in the past. Per my request a script feature was included in Smedge some time ago so that any command can be distributed from it, making it ideal for something like Redline, tho I bet w. enough requests the developer would include it in the GUI.
 
meeotch said:
btw - I thought I recognized your name. You worked on Scorpion King, yes? It's me, mitch - the sandstorm guy.
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small world, eh?

worked with lunacie on a show 12 years ago at tippett,right john?
worked with meeotch 8 years ago i think?
 
x86box said:
Honestly build a render farm full of OSX boxes only dont buy them from apple, if you build 10 systems you will save more than $20000. Whether its illegal or not it will be legal in the near future, Apple will have no choice. And who's to say what you have in the companies basement? All a client sees is a remote desktop controlling ten computers... Not the actual boxes, Hell if your really worried create a custom bios logo of the Apple start up and put a fancy apple sticker on the side of the box, you cant get any closer... Besides if apple drops the ball you can put ANY operating system on your 10 boxes and use something better if or when its available. Hardware is hardware, I will never buy a PC in a grey heavy Aluminum case with a apple engraved on the side... Its just overpriced and underclocked... No control and no technical support. No Hardware customization, These Custom systems are more stable than Apples hardware because apple implements many things into their OS to keep it from working on PC's, that it slows down the actual (Mac) Hardware its running on. If all that crap is cut out of the system, its free to work at full potential, even under intense water cooling overclocking situations. Its just cheaper and more efficient. If we make a stand the legality will emerge before we know it. These Mac Pro boxes are not Universal in operating systems like a normal PC is... So why waste the time with buying Apple Hardware render engines?? Yeah I know I got a business too, but we have to make a stand to apple if this is how we think they should be, hell if they charge double for a PC license or triple its still $1000's cheaper...

If your not in the US, I would strongly suggest going this route. I'm in LA and I will buy a Leopard license for every computer I build even after the day its legalized. Apple developers are the ones doing all the work so you trust them already right? These are not meager Hackers doing all the work... They are Pros just like us.
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You actually inspired me to spec out some home grown 8-core solutions, but they weren't cheaper, and definitely NOT by the factor you're suggesting. (depending on processor speed, but: the more the merrier)

The base 8-core comes out pretty well here. I would not mind it not to be true, though....

But for a business with support issues and replacement neccessities (if somethings go wrong) I wouldn't really consider your solution. In Norway.


Gunleik
 
The only differences are.. This board will be clockable, and I can save $1000 on two 2.6 processors, However A single Quad 2duo box, maxed out is only $1200... So If your going for Rendering, 10 of these will be cheaper than 10 8 cores. and about the same in distributed processing. Plus you can get rack-mount cases for those as well... Not the 8-core,

$2400 for x2 - 3.0ghz Quad Core Xeon
$400 for Dual Xeon Socket Mobo
$800 for 16GB of RAM
$300 for 8800GT 1GB DDR3 (yes it exists for this price 600mhz GPU core clock)
$200 for extra accessories (DVD,case,fans / fan controllers)
750GB HDD $150, (or $150 for a 75GB 10000rpm Raptor. Which is extremely fast as an OS drive..)

This one is $4250, The same specs from Apples Site is at $7500. But If you buy the Hard Drives and the Ram from somewhere else The 2GB RAM and 320 Gb HDD is at $4025, but then buy the 14GB of RAM you missed out on. + 800 makes it at $4800, But then you will suffer in Space for the Towers vs. Rack mounts.

The only disadvantage is that this mobo doesn't have Dual SLI, however the Mac Pro does.

www.insanelymac.com All technical support and step by step tutorials. They will answer any questions, If they have not been answered already in another post. I find it quicker to search for a problem than to ask.

Publicly, there is a certain bay in sweden for the iatkos.iso
 
As your calculasions shows: Nothing to save + no support + a unknown IT-structure to sell our customers... :)

I don't buy RAM or disks from Apple, and your RAM prices are actually still a bit on the high siden of what I found when buying RAM for the new towers.

To take out the disadvantage of a no-brand machine, the price difference should really be closer to 50% than 10...


Gunleik
 
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