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RED Projector...

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ambient light will always be an issue. Most people end up going with a higher gain screen like a dalite HP 2.4 gain screen.

The question that I have is, are they using a special screen material for this projector. I know the Dolby 3D system does not need a special screen. The filters use a light wavelengh.

That actually would be really neat if RED could set 1 of the RGB lasers to a specific wavelengh and the other to a diffrent wavelengh, with out using filters in the projector. Then you only need the glasses. This would really help with Light loss for 3D.

So many possibilities.
 
A 4K, 10-bit, 3D, laser-projector under $10K would be the day when other companies give up and bow down in front of Red... just telling, if you want to dominate the world, do that :)
 
John Bellari said:
+1. Especially with Oakley history, you'd expect they'd already be ahead of that curve...
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I wouldn't be surprised if they have something in the works just for the sake of R&D tinkering, but if they don't, I'll happily hop on a plane to CA and beg for it to become reality. Sony's P3D viewer is one snazzy little bitch, but it is in need of some refinement and better technology before the idea really catches on, and I am sure RED could hammer out a superior prototype for such a product once their no-glasses tech is cooked to perfection in the R&D lab.
 
Aaron Fritz said:
Projector bulbs now only last roughly 2000-3000 hours. During that time the lumen loss is huge. Even in the first 100 hours.
Also the plus of being able to turn it on/off whenever needed not worrying about killing the bulb or your hours.
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Agree with you 100% on this issue Aaron.

Existing lamp technologies are a major pain to deal with, both financially / operationally and from heat / environment points of view.
 
Stuart English said:
Agree with you 100% on this issue Aaron.

Existing lamp technologies are a major pain to deal with, both financially / operationally and from heat / environment points of view.
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They are a huge issue all out customers are buying spare lamps just incase they fail. And the warranty on bulb are just wrong, most are 90 days
 
M Most said:
Thank you Stuart, and Tom too. I completely agree.
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I am not in disagreement either. I was not attacking you, just your posts that I feel always tend to be contrarian to RED mantra. I don't understand it nor agree with it. That simple
I apologize for offending you, but I did preference my comments with "in the best way. I like you Mike and reiterate I appreciate your
experience... but I will re clarify and say that "I completely disagree with your 'crystal ball' " - I think your smart phone analogy actually supports my argument in that most of the marketing around those is around SCREEN RESOLUTION ~ ironically.

Im also not sure that your grandma is the target demographic of new digital technology, nor is representative of an increasingly educated masses.

We didn't have the internet to discuss HD (which was developed in the 70's and 80's actually) and pioneered (unsuccessfully) by my friend Spencer Brown (former CEO TYEE EURO RSCG) the largest informercial producer in the world. He spent a DECADE trying to get people to adopt HD and FAILED MISERABLY... because the infrastructure was resistant to change.

I don't see any correlation of HD to 4K movement - to the SD to HD movement... completely different circumstances... and I therefore predict, RED PROJECTOR (among other 4K products) is going to (IMHO) re-open THEATRICAL opportunities for non main stream movies... as well as help sell FLAT PANELS in the future.

WHY? not because Im an expert. But because with Social media and the Internet. The opportunity to educate masses, is a whole lot easier than it was in the past.
 
Did RED ever show off that projector yesterday? I had heard that they were just going to be using a Sony PJ, but I was crossing my fingers anyways just in case.

Edit: I see that just a couple posts above me, someone says it would be a Sony PJ. Is there any confirmation of this?
 
Nikesh Amin said:
Did RED ever show off that projector yesterday? I had heard that they were just going to be using a Sony PJ, but I was crossing my fingers anyways just in case.

Edit: I see that just a couple posts above me, someone says it would be a Sony PJ. Is there any confirmation of this?
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Yes, that was a Sony 4K projector at the Open House.
 
Aaron Fritz said:
ambient light will always be an issue. Most people end up going with a higher gain screen like a dalite HP 2.4 gain screen.
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The problem with going with high-gains screens is that they tend to introduce color linearity issues. To me, the E.J. Stewart StudioTek 130's are the way to go -- very flat field, no hot spots, perfect for a small-to-medium-sized grading or screening room (say, no more than 12 people). Ambient light is not an issue if you control the environment (i.e., enclosed room, dark fabric on the walls, no light spill, high ceilings, etc.).

3D is a separate issue.

I do agree that if Red could create a modestly-priced laser-based 4K projector, it would radically change the business, especially if they could do it for (say) 1/10th the price of competing projectors from Barco, Christie, JVC, and Sony. And even more, if they can come up with an economical solution for 3D brightness compensation. Lots and lots of companies are struggling with that right now.
 
Marc Wielage said:
The problem with going with high-gains screens is that they tend to introduce color linearity issues. To me, the E.J. Stewart StudioTek 130's are the way to go -- very flat field, no hot spots, perfect for a small-to-medium-sized grading or screening room (say, no more than 12 people). Ambient light is not an issue if you control the environment (i.e., enclosed room, dark fabric on the walls, no light spill, high ceilings, etc.).

3D is a separate issue.

I do agree that if Red could create a modestly-priced laser-based 4K projector, it would radically change the business, especially if they could do it for (say) 1/10th the price of competing projectors from Barco, Christie, JVC, and Sony. And even more, if they can come up with an economical solution for 3D brightness compensation. Lots and lots of companies are struggling with that right now.
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The Main problem right now which is unknown is the bulb. Most of JVC 3d Projectors have issues with 3d after 400-500 hours of bulb use. As the brightness drops the active shutter glass become out of sync and 3d has to much ghosting crosstalk.

That is why in my post above if they build it modular and customers can add another light engine for brightness, then there are no issues with 3d.
 
Aaron Fritz said:
The Main problem right now which is unknown is the bulb. Most of JVC 3d Projectors have issues with 3d after 400-500 hours of bulb use. As the brightness drops the active shutter glass become out of sync and 3d has to much ghosting crosstalk.
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What has lamp age and associated brightness loss got to do with staying in sync??
 
Aaron Fritz said:
The Main problem right now which is unknown is the bulb. Most of JVC 3d Projectors have issues with 3d after 400-500 hours of bulb use. As the brightness drops the active shutter glass become out of sync and 3d has too much ghosting crosstalk.

That is why in my post above if they build it modular and customers can add another light engine for brightness, then there are no issues with 3d.
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Brightness drop off and associated issues is exactly why we chose to build our light engine around lasers ....
 
Michel Hafner said:
What has lamp age and associated brightness loss got to do with staying in sync??
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For some reason with the JVC 3D Projectors as the Bulb Ages the ghosting/crosstalk get worse. There is no proof for right now why it happens. Brightness should not effect the Crosstalk.

The theory is that when the bulb is warmed up it heats the LCOS panels allowing the pixels to shift quicker. As the bulb ages the pixels do not shift as fast since the bulb is running at a lower temp. Which means more ghosting/crosstalk if the panels are moving at a different speed the the active shutter glasses.

If you visit the other projector forums you will see that everyone recommends a 30-45 minute warm up time with the JVC 3d Projectors. That is helps reduce Ghosting.
 
I have the JVC X3, and after 400 hours you could not watch 3D on it at all. I took it in for servicing and they gave me a new bulb. It seems to be the same case with most JVC users.

I don't know if its panel specific, or as the temp goes down of panels the active shutter and the panels get out of syn (just the Theory).

JVC just released there new 2012 Projector Lineup claiming better 3D performance. I had the pleasure of testing one out and being able to compare it side by side with mine. The 3D performance is the exact same. It has the exact same amount of ghosting/crosstalk.
 
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