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RED Projector...

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i can't wait for this projector to come out. Seeing 4k projected at 4k is an amazing experience. i actually worry about people shooting shooting features at 2K or HD.
 
did Red ever mentioned when will be ready and price point ?

i thought that the new policy was about announce only stuff ready to ship ????

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noahvolek said:
CDN's charge as little as 10 cents (or less) per GB in bulk. Not the dollar per GB in overage fees my ISP charges.
$0.47 to deliver a DVD is cheap.
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My comment you have quoted was in relation to the idea of "new technologies can stream uncompressed 4K video"

- go work the internet delivery charge math for that !
 
Stuart English said:
My comment you have quoted was in relation to the idea of "new technologies can stream uncompressed 4K video"

- go work the internet delivery charge math for that !
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Are you suggesting that $250 per movie isn't affordable? ;)
 
Antony M said:
Hi Wayne,

Your profile doesn't say what country you are in.
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Aoustraliaa.. ;) But this might be a concern in some major markets, EU has there own standard as well as America. But China has more well to do people than there is in Australia, and they may well be open to the idea.
 
noahvolek said:
CDN's charge as little as 10 cents (or less) per GB in bulk. Not the dollar per GB in overage fees my ISP charges.
$0.47 to deliver a DVD is cheap.
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In the distant past it has been possible to set yourself up as a network instead of using an isp.
 
Barry Bishop said:
Go on I'm listening.... (in the planning phase for wiring my new house with fibre/cat6)
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Having all the house wired with dual Cat7 per room, currently cabling the new office with 4 Cat7 per floor tank (44 of them, imagine the patch bay...) and being worried as there is now this new wireless 1.5 GBit stuff coming up. Recently a company showcased a Terahertz wireless transmitter that is expected to go up to 30 Gbits transfer speed in the long run - uncompressed 4K wireless we are coming (beware of getting you head between sender and receiver).

Quite honestly, Cat6 or Cat7 cable should work for a while. Fibre makes only sense when you want InfiniBand or Fibre Channel. 10 GigE runs on Cat7 cables now far less expensive than optical fibre connections. A single port is as low as 300 Euros sometimes. And really - do you need that?

Anyhow, what else can we talk about until RED is showing us the 4K projection wonder?

:-)

Axel
 
Got fibre in the house in Utah. Fibre in and Fibre out :) Yes the patch bay there is in a walk in closet, along with the 3 servers and some other TOYS :P
 
One question about the Red projector pleaseee!!!.

I don't need for now, to know the price, spec, or when it will be available... but

I will buy a projection screen in the next days and i need to know if the screen need to be silver for polarized projection, or i can buy a normal screen. I'm looking stewart and i need to know if Silver5d or Firehawk.

Please it can help me a lot!
 
Barry Bishop said:
Go on I'm listening.... (in the planning phase for wiring my new house with fibre/cat6)
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Well I read about it back in the 90's so I can't remember terms or details and it maybe defunct by now. But there was a company selling access directly onto the backbone, but you got a blank line and had to manage it. The rates were a lot cheaper, as they were the rates a ISP would pay. There is alot of stuff an ISP does to protect you that you are probably not aware of,, for one, all those spam mails you get, they may have all ready eliminated 90% of them, depending on the ISP. Network wide cyber attacks etc. So it will not be all plain sailing.

As a business, you maybe hosting and stresming footage for clients, so you could set up your own corner of the net on that basis and tap into the commercial rates. Who you contact I dont know, but the owner of the backbone, resellers of this type of service is a start. I do not know any of this stuff on the technical side, kept free of it, but if it is possible then there is opportunity. Just remember there are reasons people use isp's and hostimg services. Good luck.
 
Jose Lomeña said:
One question about the Red projector pleaseee!!!.

I don't need for now, to know the price, spec, or when it will be available... but

I will buy a projection screen in the next days and i need to know if the screen need to be silver for polarized projection, or i can buy a normal screen. I'm looking stewart and i need to know if Silver5d or Firehawk.

Please it can help me a lot!
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I agree with that and want to know the same.
We are moving to a new office and will have a new grading theater there - so knowing which kind of screen is right is very helpful.

Further I would like to know if the projector will be able to drive a 6.5 meter * 2.7 meter screen size?

Jim or Stewart or anyone else reading this?
That would not be a big leaking info but a helpful one not to loose any money on buying wrong products and making investments towards RED projection a bit more realistic.

Regards,
Axel
 
If we can know the preferable manufacture screen fabric it will be perfect too!. I'm looking stewart silver D5, its ok for 2D + 3D pasive, but I prefer to buy the standard Firehawk.
One or other, but I will not change in a near future because a 100" screen cost about 3000$!.
 
Stuart English said:
That's interesting, but the economic "elephant in the room" is the $ / MB cost of delivering data across the internet.
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Always nice to hear from you Stuart!

People are missing your point - REDCODE and REDRAY baby... THAT is how you take down the elephant in the room re streaming 4K over the internet... and THIS is what RED has been working on the past few years.

CANT WAIT for this stuff... we should find out more at NAB is my guess (hope) given right now is all about camera order fulfillment. But always appreciate these stealth posts :) Got to read between the lines sometimes people
 
What if films started to be released on write protected SSD media uncompressed 4k Masters that you can pop into your RedRay!
 
Axel Mertes said:
I agree with that and want to know the same.
We are moving to a new office and will have a new grading theater there - so knowing which kind of screen is right is very helpful.

Further I would like to know if the projector will be able to drive a 6.5 meter * 2.7 meter screen size?

Jim or Stewart or anyone else reading this?
That would not be a big leaking info but a helpful one not to loose any money on buying wrong products and making investments towards RED projection a bit more realistic.

Regards,
Axel
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From what we were discussing earlier it might be glasses free with a special screen. It might be possible to be a narrow band rgb based system using filter glasses for full brightness, they were the two "revolutionary" options discussed, but they likely have not caught up with the keading edge research (still time to patent ;) ).
 
Barry Bishop said:
What if films started to be released on write protected SSD media uncompressed 4k Masters that you can pop into your RedRay!
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Barry, this is possible, I was considering this years ago, in some form of rom or write once card. Redray offer substantial space savings even over future h265 by the reports. My older project aimed for at least a magnitude more compression on basic video.
 
Deployment Strategy for RED 4k Projector?

Deployment Strategy for RED 4k Projector?

Just an open query to RED/JIM (no immediate answer necessary).

What is the open plan for deploying RED 4k projectors?

I remember attending the “Stereoscopic Displays and Applications XIX” sponsored by the SPIE and IS &T, co-sponsored by IMAX and REAL D etc.

One of things that really stuck in my mind was a presentation that outlined the business model to get digital projection and s-3d based systems into theatres (at that time in 2008). I think the presentation was given by Lenny Lipton. The diagram for the set of deals, and financing of the various players involved looked like an inky drug crazed spider had gone mad with labels and arrows. It was just an unbelievably complex “arrangement” to make digital projectors affordable or attractive to cinema houses/complexes.

I just wondered if there was a concrete or aggressive plan to get RED 4k projectors into cinemas and other installations? Would the RED 4k projectors have to displace current 2k digital projection equipment or is it likely to be more successful at targeting late adopters that are still running with film projection at the moment?

The 4k laser projector for s-3d is something we would like to put a lot wood behind. Hoping that the 4k projectors will be demo’d on the RED world Tour of 2012 or will be available for viewing and demos in the US.

Best,

Eric
 
Tim Whitcomb said:
People are missing your point - REDCODE and REDRAY baby... THAT is how you take down the elephant in the room re streaming 4K over the internet... and THIS is what RED has been working on the past few years.
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If there's one thing I've come to accept in the last year or two it's that any delivery system that is dependent on proprietary hardware is not likely to have a long shelf life in the consumer marketplace. This includes both hard goods and streaming codecs. The streaming methods that have have become "standard" are software dependent, not hardware dependent. If you look at things like Netflix, Hulu, YouTube, Vimeo, and other services, the one thing they have in common is that they are delivered on multiple platforms - Apple TV, Playstation, XBox, and multiple computer platforms. They are essentially software, which makes them easy and cheap to deploy, and also makes them easy and cheap for consumers to use. If Redray hardware is required for streaming delivery of Redray encoded material, my feeling is that is will be a niche player, selling mostly to people who are already aware of the Red products. It might succeed in getting more widespread use if it can be decoupled from the hardware, i.e., decoded purely in software on commodity platforms in real time.

Personally, I really don't see the public clamoring for anything more than they already have anyway. I just don't think they care about anything bigger than HD, and won't for quite some time. But that's just me.
 
M Most said:
If Redray hardware is required for streaming delivery of Redray encoded material, my feeling is that is will be a niche player, selling mostly to people who are already aware of the Red products. It might succeed in getting more widespread use if it can be decoupled from the hardware, i.e., decoded purely in software on commodity platforms in real time.
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From what I gleaned at NAB this past year REDRAY currently needs hardware to be decoded as there are custom ASICS in the REDRAY player to do that. Encoding is software based.
I don't know enough about RED's iP to say but I'd imagine they'd be trying to figure out as many possibilities for the codec to gain traction.
 
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