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RED PRO Mattebox

Hi guys, My first post:)

First off I would like to say have been a fan of RED for a long time now, and I deeply respect what you all are doing with the industry. I thank you Jarred for creating such a wonderful place to learn.

I know I might be out of my league here with most you veteran guys having 1000+ post and all, but I'm not sure I understand a lot of the arguments going on here...

Everyone is screaming for rotating filter trays, more stages and swing away features. Jarred said they would be available soon. Why is everyone getting getting up in arms, when these things seem to be "in the pipe"? m I missing something???

Also, I've been looking closely at the pictures Jarred posted and you can see some interesting bolting features on the boxes themselves. To me they look like places were a sing-away would be bolted on. What are those features for?



Cheers!
 
Hi Jarred,

What is the widest lens that you can use without getting vignetting? What happens when you put an 18mm on this?

Do you have step down rings for Canon lenses?

Also is there a waiting list I can get on?
 
joshua csehak said:
But I'd tend to do it in post with something like Knoll Light Factory, just so you have the option of removing them later on if you want.
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Especially with HDRx where you could do a +6 pass and get nice accurate overbright information to generate your streak effects from.

"White" wasn't good enough. But if you can get detailed ranges of brightness beyond white with HDRx there'll be lots of new post effect potentials.
 
11-16 might be pushing it. Especially when shooting 4.5~5K... I'll give it a try, though. :)
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My 11-16 works fine with my mb-19 in 4.5k, so it should be fine I would think.

Nick
 
Jarred Land said:
not aimed at you at all Terry.. :)

Yes to working on Scarlet fixed.. its a bit ridiculous, but it will work as we are making a ring for the fixed lens.

the whole thing with 2 trays ( no flags ) only weighs 646 grams...

and yes paul the flags are carbon fiber as well.
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a bit ridiculous because it will be too much for the small lens?
 
Jarred Land said:
$1200.

Carbon Fiber Hood. Aluminum Frame. Incredibly Light.

Clip On. 110mm, 114mm, and 142mm rings included.

2 stage linear 4x5.6 Trays included.

Top flag optional.

Side Flags + Side Frame optional.

Bad Ass.
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I LOVE THIS COMPANY.

I'm such a skeptic, I didn't think people could/would ever do things like this...on so many levels. These prices are downright altruistic.

My apologies for EVER having an ounce of doubt, or otherwise. Seriously. Having watched this all develop from the earliest days has been unreal. Sheer brilliance. I'm very happy for all you guys. And like I've mentioned, you have a customer for life in me.

Congratulations.

Eryc Tramonn
 
Jarred Land said:
ha ha ha streak filter? really? my lord. I was sure those all got shipped to a remote island many, many years ago and turned into CocaCola bottles.

no problem Rob. More than happy for you to move on.. i promise my feelings wont be hurt :)

and for the rest of you.. if you decide to put a streak filter in our mattebox.. no matter how clever or creative you think you are being... your warranty is void.

heh heh heh.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Play nice. Didn't you tell me that once, or five hundred times?
 
joshua csehak said:
Peter and Rob, many of those streaks you see are artifacts of using an anamorphic lens, not a filter. The top image you posted, for sure -- you can tell because the out-of-focus background is stretchy. And I know they shot Star Trek on anamorphics. Not sure about the other ones though. That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with throwing some streaky flares in there, if you want to give it some style. But I'd tend to do it in post with something like Knoll Light Factory, just so you have the option of removing them later on if you want.



Don't forget you can rotate the whole matte box, in a pinch. I know, it'd look kinda silly, but might be enough for most purposes. I think with the add-on rotating stages, it might be a nice compromise between stripped-down lightweight and everything-you-need.



That's funny, I thought Joseph was criticizing the other guy for his unfunny response to your post. I mean, come on guys. We're in the film industry here. We're not dealing with Japanese businessmen. I don't think anyone is above some harmless penis humor.

Obligatory razz: Everyone who knows you knows your junk works? What kind of movies do you make again? ;)

Also: Yeah, the Red Rock Micro can be a pain.
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Fringe is not shot on anamorphics - besides the streaks are usually diagonal on that show, or vertical.

Doing this in post is A: time consuming/expensive to not look cheesy B: Will never look quite the same, no matter how hard you try. Digital filtering in post has its place, but it is not a real substitute for optical filtering, which is why many DPs still use optical filtering (including David Mullen) despite deep and full knowledge of the potential of post.
 
JD Holloway said:
Streak filters or heavy handed use of Cokin-like "jambon et fromage" filters could be mitigated by a release of real RED Pro Anamorphics. Or in the very least, a front (semi-pro?) anamorphic adaptor (I'm not sure how feasible it is with RPPs). I will take a good RED Pro Diopter kit any day in the meantime!

...definitely considering this MB vs LMB 5
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Again, streak filters are not used in the same way as anamorphics - I use them infrequently but I do use them, and I often turn them diagonally or vertically to fill out negative space in a composition. Not everybody has the same style to their work, nor is in any way aiming for "doco naturalism" as an aesthetic. I'd like to think expressionism has its place, especially in fashion and glossy music video, which is a lot of what we do.

Anamorphics also have many other issues, which you may not want for every shot and may be the wrong look overall. One in no way replaces the other.
 
Cool. Agree with Rob.

Cool. Agree with Rob.

FWIW, I love the pricepoint, weight and build. I too cannot use a MB without rotating tray(s) - I shoot so much run and gun and nature 2nd unit that a pola and soft grad are not optional, even when shooting lightweight on skis or out of backpacks.

I'm sure there are a lot of us 3rd tier, busy guys shooting RED that need the lightest gear possible, but still constantly rotate our filter trays. Not always in a studio. Or, especially not in a studio in my case.

One point being that lightweight use and rotating trays are not mutually exclusive form the perspective of use and demand.

Just throwing that in the (already pretty spicy) mix!
 
Jarred Land said:
not aimed at you at all Terry.. :)

Yes to working on Scarlet fixed.. its a bit ridiculous, but it will work as we are making a ring for the fixed lens.

the whole thing with 2 trays ( no flags ) only weighs 646 grams...

and yes paul the flags are carbon fiber as well.
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Why is it ridiculous? Because of its size compared to the lens on the fixed? Will there be a smaller one for the Scarlet later?
 
Steve Sherrick said:
And if you don't do a lot of filter stacking, the best way to filter is screw-in. I add a 77mm sunshade and that works for a lot of situations. The problem is when you need to stack you can start to run into vignetting.
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Yeah, if money is more valuable than time on a shoot (which is like every shoot I'm on), I'm a big fan of that. A great way to prevent vignetting is to buy your filters at the largest diameter you think is reasonable -- a bit wider than your largest lens at the minimum -- and get a step-up adapter for every lens in your set.
 
Jarred Land said:
ha ha i love the guys that dish it but cant take it...

love even more the guys that point to anamorphic flares and praise how great streaky filters are, even though they are anamorphic flares and not streaky filters.

Anyways.. for the guys that are asking for more stages, we will make them, but you need to remember with a compact mattebox the more trays you put on the further away from the lens you get.. so you will start vignetting with a 3rd stage on this mattebox around 35mm. If you shoot above 35mm all the time.. no problem. But its something to be aware of.
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Jarred, I have tremendous respect for you and the work you guys do. I would never mock you or Jim like the way you did me. I am French and perhaps my humour is different.

I would also point out that Fringe often has diagonal and vertical streaks - so they are not anamorphic flares. I have shot a few times with Hawks, and I know the look of anamorphic flares, which, even when horizontal, have a different shape and a different feel - and besides the whole image looks different.

There is a wide variety of styles here on Red User - some would never use any kind of rotating filter, and for them the new matte box is really exciting. I would jump on it if I shot that way. But, like any product, it is more for some people than for others.

I was under the impression you guys welcomed objective user feedback, but next time I will keep my mouth shut. I apologize if I offended you in any way.
 
Rob, I don't want to answer for Jarred but I think he was just messing with you.

You are absolutely correct that everyone has a right to use whatever techniques they want to. And I don't think this matte box is made to appeal to everyone. It will fulfill needs of those that are in the market for a MB of this type. The good thing is RED is making it available. It shows they are dedicated to making accessories moving forward. Good to have options.

And I don't think RED minds objective feedback as long as it's presented respectfully.
 
Felix C said:
Why is it ridiculous? Because of its size compared to the lens on the fixed? Will there be a smaller one for the Scarlet later?
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Yeah.. little camera with big mattebox on it. don't get me wrong, its still pretty badass, just a little insane. We are making a smaller mattebox for the Scarlet fixed remember, which looks a little more like they belong together.
 
JD Holloway said:
...definitely considering this MB vs LMB 5
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this has a few advantages... of course the addition of stages (rotating or not ) if needed.. and the ability to add a swing away / rod support down the road.. a bit more modular than the LMB 5.
 
Jarred Land said:
Yeah.. little camera with big mattebox on it. don't get me wrong, its still pretty badass, just a little insane. We are making a smaller mattebox for the Scarlet fixed remember, which looks a little more like they belong together.
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Hi jarred,

Will the smaller Scarlet mattebox fit on Canon lenses? Also what size filters will it take? Thanks.

-Mieko
 
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