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RED ONE meets Mysterium-X

Felix Knöchel said:
Thanks Steven!
I guess I meant the bitdepth then :) So more discrete luminance values for a given pixel means the dynamic resolution is higher but not necessarily the dynamic range. Or is there a maximum luminence difference you should not exceed between two values because it would result in a bad picture quality?
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I don't know what you mean by "dynamic" resolution.

Indeed there is a maximum allowable step between luminence values that one should not exceed, otherwise you get banding. And it's a log-type function (that is, at higher lumen values, you can have a larger jump before detection).

Hence you need a sufficient number of steps (bits) to represent those values. Once you get ABOVE that number of sufficent values, you are wasting bits if you make finer gradations.... you can't see them. Hence additioanl bits are ususally used to handle more DR.

-sc
 
I love that we're now having discussions about the dynamic range inherent in a dog.

Any chance we can get a full-resolution still from this shoot?
 
Brent Altomare said:
I love that we're now having discussions about the dynamic range inherent in a dog.
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LOL! How true. But has anyone taken into account how the bread of the dog affects the DR - Some dogs have a high DR then others ;) .
 
Hey guys, I know it's exciting that Mysterium-X is working on at least one camera, but I simply cannot understand all of the comments in this thread about how amazing the dog picture is.

We have only been shown a low-res, compressed jpeg that could be duplicated on any DSLR and even most point-and-shoot cameras. Comments about the incredible detail and dynamic range just make no sense to me. The sample is 480x1120 people! That's point-five megapixels - or a quarter of what an iPhone shoots. Fanboyism, or are you guys seeing something that I'm not?
 
There is an amazing amount of detail in the highlights and on a dog that shouldn't really lend itself to having that much detail in it's highlights.

This is a still taken from a motion camera, I think that's the important part, it's meeting the dynamic range of many high-end DSLR's, while doing video. See why that's interesting?
 
Brent J. Craig said:
Hey guys, I know it's exciting that Mysterium-X is working on at least one camera, but I simply cannot understand all of the comments in this thread about how amazing the dog picture is.

We have only been shown a low-res, compressed jpeg that could be duplicated on any DSLR and even most point-and-shoot cameras. Comments about the incredible detail and dynamic range just make no sense to me. The sample is 480x1120 people! That's point-five megapixels - or a quarter of what an iPhone shoots. Fanboyism, or are you guys seeing something that I'm not?
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Nope- not seeing anything you are not. The proof will be in the pudding and in the real world application of the sensor. Additional question still have yet to be answered like:

- Is the ISO of 640 the new 320? (If the sensor is still rated at ISO 320, and this is a pushed image to 640, then this down rezed, compressed image is hiding any potential noise that could be in the original.)

- What medium is this being recorded to? (If the current available media- that is great, as there will not be an additional cost, if to some unreleased media, then it could cost more in addition to the upgrade.)

- What redcode is this being shot at? (28, 36, or the newly announced 42?)

Some other things I would still like to see are a low contrast scene and a high contrast uncontrolled scene outside. With these images posted at full resolution, and with the spec's of the shot, I would have a better sense of how this new sensor actually performs.

But with that said, I am glad to see that progress is being made with the new technology and that it will be available for my Red One.
 
Sorry if I missed it, but is there a full resolution image available (at the full 1920x4480)?
 
no additional framerates..
 
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