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RED LCD questions

Phillip Hudson

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Hi. I've revised the question:

Any chance we can rig the monitor to work with other cameras?

Thanks.
 
This is from the FAQ sticky:

RED LCD
$1,750

The RED LCD is an 8-bit color 1024 x 600 5.6” display that interfaces with the camera via a proprietary 17-pin connector. The screen was prototyped out of aluminum, but may change to ABS plastic when it ships. On the top of the LCD is a power button and three interface control buttons.

Like the viewfinder, the LCD displays the captured image along with look around, frame line overlays and status indicators. Since a 16:9 image would be 1024 x 576 pixels, the extra pixels on the display are saved for these indicators. The LCD can also display the focus assist, waveform monitors, histogram, false color exposure indicator or zebra exposure lines. It also displays the menu system when it is activated; as well playback when the camera is playing back completed takes.

Its ability to display all of these functions [most notably the focus assist] makes it an amazing tool for a focus puller. Not only will they have a very high resolution “video tap” of what’s going on in the camera, they’ll also have the ability to display the focus assist or blow the image up to a 1:1 pixel ratio for those extremely critical focus shots.

The LCD is quite bright, being designed for use indoors or outdoors. While a sun shade wouldn't be a bad idea, it is apparently quite viewable in direct sunlight.

The LCD mounts to the camera body or RED RAIL system via the RED ARM – it has one ¼”-20 threaded mounting point on the bottom. There are literally dozens of places to mount the LCD with RED ARM on the RED RAIL system.

There are 3 foot [$200] and 10 foot [$300] extension cables available, so the LCD can live up to 10 feet away from the camera.
 
note- the first post mentions a 5.6" wide display. I'd be surprised if it's really 5.6" wide. Unless otherwise labelled, I would assume that something marked as a "5.6 inch display" means that 5.6" is the diagonal measurement of the screen.
 
FAQ, right... I read that a while back. But, my real question is:

Any chance we can rig the monitor to work with other cameras? This is so much better than other options out there.
 
I think the camera has the driver electronics for the LCD on board so it won't work on other cameras without some sort of driver doodad.
 
lboyce said:
On the other side, will other LCD's work with the RED?
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As long as that monitor has either HD-SDI, DVI or HDMI, it should work from the 720p monitoring outputs, if the resolutions and frame-rates are supported. But chances are slim that it could be made to work, by hacking the RED EVF / LCD connector.
 
Red Guy said:
This is from the FAQ sticky: RED LCD $1,750...

The screen was prototyped out of aluminum, but may change to ABS plastic when it ships. On the top of the LCD is a power button and three interface control buttons...
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Brrrrr. plastic.

Little off topic, but does anybody know if its metal now or ABS ?
Loved the feel of that aluminum body at NAB :weight_lift:

And yeah, regarding the size the little thingy had, I hoped too it wouldn't, but assume driver is placed within the RED body.
 
lboyce said:
On the other side, will other LCD's work with the RED?
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Only very expensive ones. If you're looking for small size and 720p or better resolution that works with the Red for under $1000 (I'd say under $2000 but am not totally sure about that), the only one I know of is the one I made myself that's sitting on this HV20:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3918

The other cheap way would be to use a larger TV / computer monitor in conjunction with a HD-SDI -> HDMI / DVI / VGA converter box?

I think the Red LCD will be the obvious choice though due to its superior integration.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
hey bruce

first off, what's the size of yours?..

second and most important, would you sell me one unit before your move to south africa.. or during october-november?
 
filmmaker's gang said:
hey bruce

first off, what's the size of yours?..
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10.6" diagonal - meant to complement the Red LCD (and your much larger client / color correction monitor), not compete with it.

filmmaker's gang said:
second and most important, would you sell me one unit before your move to south africa.. or during october-november?
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I sold all of the ones that I have right now. The next batch will be going out when I am back in LA (early Oct or so)...

That is assuming the HDMI input on my monitor actually works with the Red's HDMI out, of course! My monitor has so far accepted everything thrown at it (PAL / NTSC, 720p, 1080i), is even supposed to support HDCP over HDMI, etc, but I won't take anyone's money until it's actually tested. It's tricky - the Dell 24" doesn't work with the HV20's HDMI out at 1080, for example. Nobody expected that! But mine does work at 1080, so I am hopeful...

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
filmmaker's gang said:
like this ones for example?

http://b2b.sony.com/Solutions/product/VGN-UX390N

http://www.av-sales.co.uk/HDMI-VGA-CONVERTER-139-.htm
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The VAIO doesn't have HD video in of any kind. So you can't use it. Besides, it has very similar specs to the Red screen but worse integration and a higher price.

lboyce said:
well, we've got a Marshall R70P-HDA monitor (http://www.lcdracks.com/monitors/vr70phda.html). I was curious if that would be ideal at all for the RED. I'm really banging my head against the wall right now debating between the EVF and the LCD.
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The $1600 Marshall you linked to only has HD component inputs and is only 800x480. It needs HD-SDI. You'd need to buy the $2000 list R70P-HD-SDI. And then it's still only 800x480. Again, I'd rather get the Red screen (or my $850 larger, higher-res one).

If you're choosing between the Red LCD and EVF, I think you should wait and see how the Red LCD does in daylight. If it sucks (like most LCDs do), and you have some shoots planned that involve you being in sun, then you will need the EVF, IMHO.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
lboyce said:
I'm really banging my head against the wall right now debating between the EVF and the LCD.
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I was too until I went to NAB and put my eye up to the EVF, then I've never looked back, EVF all the way!
 
filmmaker's gang said:
but i already have one.. :ohmy: and you did mention a converter box..
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Haha, I do think that Vaio is an incredibly beautiful computer. I wish I had one!

Just not sure how you'd use it as a monitor due to lack of inputs.

It would be a ton of fun to have on set though for lots of other things...

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
Hi Bruce,

Your LCD looks sweet, and I'm sure tastes sweet too. Count me in for a future order, but not the next batch, more like early 2008, I first have a somewhat large payment I need to me make somewhere around the 10th of November, and while I usually try and delay my payments, for some odd reason I want to make this one as soon as possible !

Cheers,
Damien
 
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