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RED in Sweden

Jag är glad att du hittade hit Jesper. Kolla din mail.

MVH,

DogDay
 
Det räcker med en grupp för Svenska RED ägare, det behöver inte vara den jag startade ;-) men jag gjorde det för ett tag sedan. Skitsamma, det viktiga är att det kommer igång - här är adressen till RED ONE SWEDEN; http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8883933308
 
Har just kommit tillbaka till Stockholm med Nummer 790! Gjorde musikvideo i New York förra veckan som kommer se helt grym ut :matrix:...

Bra initiativ med en facebooksida för oss som är lite mindre.

Kontakta mig om någon vill hyra. Hittills har jag ett REDpaket med rätt så mycket tillbehör (två RED Drive, 4 RED CFkort, 4 RED Brick, Base Production Pack etc), plus också macbook pro 2.6ghz, CalDigit eSATA RAID och G-Drive Mini. Gluggar kommer om några veckor med Birgers Canon Adapter (med followfocus) och sen RED Primes när de släpps.

Hälsningar från Olle Agelii
 
Kan meddela att vår kamera också finns att hyra. Kamera, Rods, stativ, 7" & 22" lcd, 2 reddrive, 4x8gb CF kort samt RED 18-50mm zoom. Batterier och laddare och kablar.
Full info hittar ni på www.frameville.se
Mvh Christian Berg
 
how you colormat.. :poster_oops: christian?.. ehehehehe

compliments from gordon too.. :)
 
So how much? Maybe everyone should whip it out so we know what is what. Even you Dagsljus...How much...Its a reasonable question.

Also you mentioned contracting through private owners, whats that construction look like? Would that be an exclusive contract binding them to you? whats your cut?

If you for whatever reason feel more comfortable answering via PM be my guest. Looking forward to hearing again from you here or there.

We are all ears.

DogDay

P.S.

And maybe anyone else looking to rent out their gear: lets get some concrete list prices NOW and day rates.

BTW Its not only gear we pay for its the service with a smile, so when we turn to the rest of Europe to fullfill our needs its for a good reason.
 
I'll chime in pretty quick since Im on yet another stupid deadline this week.. I aim at a 2,5% rental rate for "one day rentals".. Thats means around 5000 SKr/day for a basic package (Some CF cards/dual harddrives/LCD/yada yada :).. ).. I think its in pretty much the same range as Christian states on frameville.. I won´t let out my camera out the door without my technician though, because the day (or night) I'll need it, I don´t want to find anything not working 100%.. I know how DPs can handle a camera, and I don't have a spare/backup..

I hope my site is ready tomorrow regarding rentals... Anyone that wants to put their kit onto my site are most welcome (its got the nice adress www.red4k.se ;).. No, don't go there yet, because its something I did in 1 minute.. It shows :).... (New site is in flash with a nice Red feeling to it)...)!

I won´t put to much effort into the rentals side of things though, since Its not something I do for living as Dagsljus (That has a very good reputation btw, so Im a bit confused that you got so bad impressions by them, since everyone I know of thinks they are very good to have business with).

/Regards Peter K
 
Very generous of you to offer folks a place on your site actually quite incredible.

Nice to post in English since everyone knows the language, and everyone can take part in the conversation that way. Until there emerges a Swedish Red site thats probably a fair request.

If you are surprized you can imagine my shock and disappointment. But not only me you see it started with someone else explaining their experiences. Where there is smoke there is fire. Its a monopoly here everyone knows it. They have no reason to deliver. Now with some heat they do. Words are not deeds. I want service for my money. Is that outlandish to request?

I want their prices as do other people who want to rent and other private owners. Its not so easy to get a straight answer from these people.

Your prices seem reasonable now lets see if they can beat that or if not what they have to offer to motivate it other than demand. Its not enough.

My recomendation is to open up the catalogue and directories and call around to the different companys in Eurpoe and go with whoever treats you well and can get the job done at an agressivly competitive price. You dont have to take shit from these people. I consider games ( Not answering direct questions with direct answers ) and nonchalance when I have my wallet out and projects waiting unacceptable arrogance.

Its a small world and the days of Socialistic monopolies are over for the most part. Thank God for this community and the private owners who support each other.

DogDay
 
Mmm.. I think your taking this dark conspiracy theories too far ;) From what I know, dagsljus ordered 2 cameras (or 3? How should I know?) very early on. These are booked for feature films, so they simply don't have any more camera bodies right now. There is no point publishing prices, if you can't take any bookings anyway.

I didn't finish the new site today as I hoped. But it looks like it will be finished tomorrow..
 
"There is no point in giving prices if they can`t take bookings"...Fine.


Then lets get a network going so people can rent from each other without any middle men.

Thanks for the info and clearification.

No conspiracy theory just business solutions, everyone has their own models. There are perameters for everything. Definitions and practices, its just to hold the one up against the other and draw your own conclusions.

Its so simple to just answer a question thus eliminating the margin for conjecture. If not in print then over the phone. I have called them. No straight answer.

Anyway I dont give a flying f--k about this issue my needs are being met...else where.

Lets move on now.

DogDay
 
There is no secrets in our prices. Since this is a new technology and future is uncertain the rate is 2%, four days makes a week and longer jobs are quoted.
The difference is whats included in the package. Our normal kit without lenses costs little over 500.000 and our daily rate for that package is 9875 Skr.

When the market gets more saturated I'm shure that the rate will go down to about 1,5%.

Jesper Holmström
Dagsljus AB
 
In a country where nearly everything is subsidized those kind of prices make a lot of sense ( Which are a complete and utter rip off, surely rating as the most outrageously overpriced day rates on The Planet ): But hey - As I said everyone has their own model...More power to you.

So with Red everyone wins.

-The establishment can continue to milk the tax payers.
-The independents who own their own gear dont have to ask Big Brother for permission anymore.
-And the poor fools with talent stuck in the middle can rent dirt cheap from the private owners that dont bind themselves to contracts with rental houses that horde the supply of Red One Cameras to keep up such ridiculously high prices.

Just hope these people understand that anything shot on cameras outside the official net will have a very difficult, if not impossible time finding distribution since nearly all channels are somehow one way or the other controled by the old guard.

So best to do stuff in languages that can reach bigger markets and an audience that is unbiased and willing to embrace quality for its own sake...

A note: Register in another country;
1. For tax purposes.
2. Why should a System that works against you get credit in any way for your work? I would never submit anything with Swedens name attatched to it.

At the end of the day Communists and Capitalists alike share the common practice of Creative Accounting.

So everyone wins one way or the other...


All is well in hell.


DogDay

P.S.
I am ready and willing to change the subject whenever you are.
I repeat-Lets move on.

Lesson#1.
Don`t F--k with Dogs.
 
Why do you sound so bitter about that Dagsljus is taking out 2% of the total kitcost. But you don´t mention a word about thoose who claim 2,5 %.

Are you sober?

Magnus
 
1st post Magnus-

Welcome.

DogDay

Am I bitter?
Is that what my post is about? ... The % they take?
If thats what you see in it thats what you see.
Thats your right.

BTW:
2.5 % of 200.000 is 5.000
2.0 % of 500.000 is 10.000

You see even an inebriated Canine can add ...

http://www.google.se/search?q=googl...s=org.mozilla:sv-SE:official&client=firefox-a
A great tool for the illiterate.

Lesson #2.
If you don`t know the Dog its best to leave it alone and walk on by.
 
No thats not what I said;

A. I said welcome to your 1st post.
B. I said that you have a version and that is your right to have, as is mine, they will exist side by side, and people can decide for themselves what they think about the subject ( Everyone has a reason & agenda )
C. I did a little math.
D. I used humor to comment on your personal insult.
E. I gave a bit of advice.

No hard feeling Magnus ok?

Lets leave this alone now...

Sorry if I was harsh towards you...

I bow out of this conversation now.

You guys can continue by yourselves I made my point.

DogDay

Lesson #3.
Dogs are friendly by nature once you get to know them.
 
Ok... The very first "preview" of red4k.se is up! I hope to fix the site better during the day ( a little bigger ), and a english option of the site and more stuff..

This page is not for any profit for my part.. I just want to collect everyone as a red rental pool. Everyone can have their own prices and terms&conditions. Most people want a second unit camera, so I think its great to have everything in one place.

I have a rental page. People can mail me info and pictures of their kit there, and the price they want for their kits. The info page contains FAQs.. The terms&conditions, people can use their own terms for their kits. And the contact page contains contacts for the rental.

Cheers! /Regards Peter K
 
Looks promising except from the "särskrivningar". I will follow the progress with interest.
 
The grammar is hopefully better now :) And I took some pictures today aswell and did a new logo. More updates to come!
 
Good work with the grammar, thanks.
It looks more professional now.
 
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