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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Red Handheld

Nice Rig. I think though, if you are willing to use Nikon lenses with screw in filters, the RED CF cards, focus without the follow focus attachment use just the EVF, and use the battery belt clip, you can get the weight down to around 20lbs
 
Unless you need 4K for your doc, consider the Sony EX1 -something that doesn't look like much more than a consumer camcorder but produces amazing pictures - and it's only $6K. If you're not in a hurry, wait for the EX-3. Interchangeable lens mount, better ergonomics and viewfinder.

Don't get me wrong I own a Red, full set of Arri primes, etc. and will use if for handheld CINE style. It is not the best camera for docs - especially when you consider typical shooting ratios for docs and the current workflow.

Think of the Red as a nice digital camera replacement for an Arri 35mm film camera and you have the picture. And by all means, load one up, put it on your shoulder and imagine having there for 6-8 hours a day.

Not my cup of tea ;)

M
 
Absolutely concur with Mark here. I have just been shooting some handheld in south Africa and in tight spaces was very happy to have an EX1 as a backup. The newer EX3 now also allows for interchangeable lenses so even more of a prospect. RED is my dream camera and will allow me to learn and eventually produce some wicked imagery but only within the boundaries of what is physically capable by the operator. Its heavy, cumbersome and damned fragile at the moment. The work flow is not conducive to efficient EFP, yet, and over all the camera is just not there yet. Maybe that will change with build 16, by all accounts it will, fingers crossed.

My 2c,
Mark.
 
Same here. We just shot a documentary where we used the Red One under controlled conditions in the studio (BTW, not as noisy as we expected) and the EX-1 for run-n-gun. With some clever grading the footage goes well together, only the DR of the EX-1 is a problem at times. The release is meant to be HDTV, no film-out, and I don't expect much of a problem here.

Regards,

Uli
 
This is why I'm greatly looking forward to the release of the Scarlett, combining it with the RED ONE would be awesome for in the field productions/documentary of a cinematic caliber. Essentially, when you can, use the RED ONE, when you can't, use the Scarlett.
 
MrGlory said:
This is why I'm greatly looking forward to the release of the Scarlett, combining it with the RED ONE would be awesome for in the field productions/documentary of a cinematic caliber. Essentially, when you can, use the RED ONE, when you can't, use the Scarlett.
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Agree! I put my camera up on my shoulder today, pretty stripped down and it still hurt. Scarlet will be an awesome handheld b-cam for Red, or very sweet "gun and run" 3K cam all by itself.

Now an Epic will be nice at 1/2 the weight too.....

M
 
CamDiver said:
Absolutely concur with Mark here. I have just been shooting some handheld in south Africa and in tight spaces was very happy to have an EX1 as a backup. The newer EX3 now also allows for interchangeable lenses so even more of a prospect. RED is my dream camera and will allow me to learn and eventually produce some wicked imagery but only within the boundaries of what is physically capable by the operator. Its heavy, cumbersome and damned fragile at the moment. The work flow is not conducive to efficient EFP, yet, and over all the camera is just not there yet. Maybe that will change with build 16, by all accounts it will, fingers crossed.

My 2c,
Mark.
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The shooting you did in Africa was for our production company, Dangerous Passage Productions. Though DPP has a collective seven RED ONE cameras now, and our Africa crew was obviously going to shoot with RED ONE, I'm the one who recommended the purchase of the EX1 cameras by DPP, and also recommended that the Africa crew take along an EX1 with a Century .75x wide converter for use in some of the cramped spaces - as a complimentary camera to RED ONE.

Our crews have been doing very effective EFP production with RED ONE since last August. I've personally shot tons of RED ONE EFP-style footage in the past nine months. Camera setups have been everything from lightweight hybrid cine/EFP style for 4k and 3k shooting using the RED 18-50 (no matte box or follow focus) with camera weights of around 16 pounds, to full-on EFP style 2k set ups using the EVF and Fujinon EFP zooms, with camera weights of around 24 pounds.

For shoulder held with the 4k/3k 18-50 setup, I use a strap on shoulder pad from Pro Tools - very comfortable all day and no muscle cramps. I also use the same pad for the 2k/Fujinon zoom setup - again comfort and no pain. Element Technica is currently developing a great shoulder brace/pad system which I am beta testing. It will seriously enable good EFP shoulder held comfort.

For low angle and high angle shooting with the lightweight RED ONE setup I use the RED LCD and an assortment of things like Cine Saddle (low angle), the ground, chairs, rails, fence posts, etc. I'm strong enough to run full speed holding the lightweight RED ONE setup just above the ground - and get a smooth shot. For high angles with that rig, I prop the camera against a wall, doorway, etc, and get a steady shot.

The past 23 days I have been on our 74' boat in Alaska shooting all hand held RED ONE creative shots of the crew, low held over moving water, pole cam, on decks, on rails, etc - and the footage came out excellent. I also used one of our EX1 cameras on that boat trip - with good results.

We have the nightly backup of RED ONE footage down to a science: to multiple drives initially, then later at our studio it is backed up to LTO4 tape.

Looking forward, we'll buy multiple EPIC and Scarlet cameras for our mobile EFP and hybrid EFP/cine style production - but we'll also keep some of our RED ONE cameras. Epic will be smaller and lighter than RED ONE - a boon to mobile production. Scarlet will be great for real mobile EFP work, POV, housings, polecam, slo-mos, etc. We'll shoot EPIC when we need a 5k image, RED ONE when it makes sense, and Scarlet for 3k for a wide variety of shots.

Back to RED ONE. Build 16 should enhance mobile production. IMO in the hands of experienced and open minded EFP professionals RED ONE is already an excellent tool. The EX1's are good cameras - we own two of them. But the footage from the EX1 is nowhere as clean as the footage from the RED ONE. The RED ONE takes more work and more skill to get the correct images from, but when you do, the images are stunning. IMO Scarlet will blow out the EX1 and EX3. Scarlet's 3k RAW @ 120fps in a small, mobile form factor will have a wide variety of EFP possibilities.
 
Gibby said:
For shoulder held with the 4k/3k 18-50 setup, I use a strap on shoulder pad form Pro Tools - very comfortable all day and no muscle cramps. Element Technica is currently developing a great shoulder brace/pad system which I am beta testing. It will seriously enable good EFP shoulder held comfort.
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Hello Gibby,

First I'm impressed by your REDcurriculum...

I would love to see any handheld/shoulder config you use. I know that ET support is still top secret:shiftyph34r: but do you have any pict of the Pro Tools setup?

Thanks

Pat
 
Tresch said:
Hello Gibby,

First I'm impresse by your REDcurriculum...

I would love to see any handheld/shoulder config you use. I know that ET support is still top secret:shiftyph34r: but do you have any pict of the Pro Tools setup?

Thanks

Pat
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When I get a chance I'l dig up some photos of our various hand held/shoulder help camera configurations and post them here. Yes, the ET shoulder support is top secret. For a time span of about a year now I've been beta testing every ET product - long before the public sees them. Like all the other ET products, the new shoulder brace will be excellent.

Here's a link to the Pro Tools web site info for the strap-on shoulder pad
http://www.filmtools.com/camera-comfort-cushion-com.html
 
Tresch said:
Thanks for the link Gibby.

Looking forward to see ET shoulder support @ Finner's site.

Pat
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As with all the ET products over the past , I've seen and used them long before anyone else. Both Finner and Tonaci Tran were members of our LART team early last December, and we also invited Stephen Pizzo from ET to be there with products to view and demo. It was after LART that Finner and Tonaci established their sites which profile ET accessories.

When ET gives me the green light I'll to post a pic of the shoulder brace prototype on the Accessories forum on RED User.
 
I've used the Filmtools pad for the past few features and I have to say that while it is nicely made and has adjustable thickness of padding, the strap design is flawed in that it can easily rotate on the shoulder. You have to reseat it every time you are about to mount the camera to make sure it is centered. A better idea would have been to have sent straps down the front and back to a waist belt--a bit more clunky and time consuming to put on but would have eliminated the rotation which has eventually become a deal-killer for me and I plan to replace it shortly. Actually I'm working with a company that specializes in handheld camera supports on a complete setup that will be ideal for the tragically front-heavy setups that folks seem to find themselves stuck with for RED. It's in development--I'll stop short at calling it "top secret"!--but I'm sure you guys will hear about it when it's ready.
 
I went with the RED One in handheld mode without the EVF (On-Board Monitor) to Iraq for 2 weeks with the US Military and had absolutely no problems with it, even in the heat. Handheld operation was easy, and I was using a pretty heavy handheld set-up loaded with MB-20 and (t1.3 Prime Set)

I made a backpack pad. Two Diapers and some tape wrapping the diapers around the right shoulder strap. Backpack pad + Camera is a great way to stay comfortable and tote around the lenses you know you'll need when you're on the go.
 
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Yes, the Red shoulder Dovetail has been moded to fit the ET 19MM Sys
 
Chas: To solve the play factor on the dovetail, I applied a strip of .005" material to one side of the inside base plate dovetail. Did the job- and an easy way to do it is to use a strip of the metallic tape used to seal hot heating ducts- available at Lowe's or HDepot.
 
I'm using an ultra slim setup in India at the moment for a personal project. I opted for this design over the traditional set up for a variety of reasons. #1 it is cheaper than the handheld solutions out there #2 While i haven't tried the two handed under camera I imagine this design provides more stability because of the longer throw from the centre of gravity. Having three points of contact, in a triangle config it offers a nice way to balance the roll. #3 having the right hand under the len mounted area of the camera, it allows me to simultaneously focus while maintaining stability. Its also simple to move to low angle.

Attaches to universal mount. Aluminum. Weight very small. Shoulder width, so can fit anywhere your shoulders can
 
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