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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

RED future...

I am really excited about NAB this year. I love Red.
 
Jannard said:
In the beginning, some said that RED was a scam. Now some say that RED is a one trick wonder. I have said that "the 1st is the worst".

We have stuff in the works that would scare you.

Jim
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You won't scare us. We are all big boys here , we can take it, we can take it all. Well that came out wrong (or did it?)... Anyway I can't wait to see what is next. Maybe an Imax resolution sensor? Do that and I bet Nolan would leave film behind in 2 seconds (and every other holdout for that matter).
 
Ryan Sparks said:
Just noticed I started writing that comment at like 7:30est, before I opened my emails only to post it just before 10... I really need a new assistant, emails are such a time vacuum...
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I suspect (wonder) Mr. Jannard doesnt require an assistant. I do believe he actually reads all this :)
I'd have to clone myself to be able to keep up :P

Im so stoked for NAB now ;)
 
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Red's future is so bright ya gotta wear (Oakley) shades!:coolgleamA:

Frustrating to wait, but fun to watch.
 
Dj Joofa said:
Please don't be emotional.

The major reason Red One was welcomed, as far as I see it, was not necessarily the 4K thingy, as anything above or including HD would have worked or sufficed at that time. The real reason was PRICE - A relatively affordable camera with reasonable resolution.

Even today, I would consider price to be a major point.

Joofa
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WOW!!!!! don't get me started on you. 4k vs price. In case you have been living in a c***, there are no other 4k 24P cameras out there, at $200,000 Red1 will still have been a success. Many more nose in the air cinematographers would have adopted it because it would mean exclusivity. After a few years directors, distributors and vfx have realized the tremendously increased value in 4K.
 
Roberto Lequeux said:
I would be willing to bet they fired up a FF35 6k++ sensor, and got well over 24fps if they "only" did so on an Epic body.

Only one way to know. Jim, can you let us see a sample or two of your most recent work? :)
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ha ha LOL Roberto! yeah Jim can you connect a 4K webcam to your office and have a crew follow you all day. Reality baby, its whats in. LOL. I would ask you to connect a camera to your brain, but that would be asking too much.:emote_couch:
 
Jannard said:
The fact is that currently the M-X sensor has a combination of resolution, dynamic range and frame rates that is not matched by any sensor ever made for mass production. I'm not even aware of a military or engineering one-off that beats it. And it is only our second sensor. I am also seeing what's coming...

As for the sensor industry... it is changing very rapidly. I'd be surprised if Joofa's vision of how things work applied to what we are doing. We certainly aren't running our program the way the others do...

Jim
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Looking a bit further down the road, my own favorite camera technology is the ESA Superconducting Camera:

"With the new device, as each photon arrives, S-Cam records when and where it hits the detector and its colour"

Caveats: Use of the unit "millikelvin", as in, "the sensor functions at 300 millikilven". Pixel counts on the order of 10x10, as of 2006

http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=29220
 
geoffboyle said:
Well I was one of them :-)

When Jim first announced I was hugely sceptical, in fact I said that it was a great idea to set up a company and take deposits on a camera and then close without delivering.

Jim and I had a "minor disagreement" at NAB in 2006, he thought that I had been rubbishing him and in fact I'd been rubbishing the idea of delivering a camera that was starting from scratch by November of that year.

Anyway, that was then....

I didn't know Jim's background at the time.

I have since said many times that RED and Jim in particular have turned the film business on its head and not just with their cameras.

We wouldn't have all the new PL mount lenses we have now if it wasn't for RED.

Alexa would be a dream on the horizon to be delivered in a couple of years if not for RED

Sony wouldn't have cut their prices on the F35 and the 9000PL if RED hadn't existed.

I could go on and on, particularly in the area of 3D but I won't :-)

Things change and we have to live with and welcome that change.

So thank you RED for bringing some excitement back into the film business.
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Well and honorably said.
 
Jannard said:
In the beginning, some said that RED was a scam. Now some say that RED is a one trick wonder. I have said that "the 1st is the worst".

So which is it? Is RED likely to last?

I guess this post is to say that we have more in development than we know what to do with. Our sensor program (the heart of a camera company) is way beyond my wildest expectations. We have stuff in the works that would scare you. I am shocked. Every day I wake up, the realities of what we dreamed are becoming a reality... and more. It is pretty surreal. EPIC (a nuclear reactor in a matchbox) is just the beginning. Hard to believe... but true.

Obsolescence obsolete. All the things we are doing forward work with what we are doing now. That was the concept. That is real today.

I thought I saw the future in 2005 when the decision to build the RED ONE was conceived. I also thought that was a big plan. While I guess it was... I see a much more advanced future now. Stay tuned. We have just warmed up the engine.

Jim
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Well, I look forward to it Jim. With the stuff I have sent you and the stuff on my own design board, I would be shocked if it actually scarred me (though if it is similar to my 3D dust sized floating camera proposal that would do it). ;) .

I would like to ask something though, please. I am often sick, and other people are often busy, it would be good if an explanation of all your thoughts spread throughout the forum, were summarized in one blog like thread (by somebody )? It gets very tiring going through all the fan noise, conjecture and endless .. 'discussions', to find out what is happening in all the 20-40 page threads ;) .

Anyway have a good day, and I hope that we might see something based on those 27 stop color constant HDR, 120db SNR technologies eventually.
 
J.K.Dibbets said:
Jim Jannard, whenever I see a post like this it feels so relevant towards everything Steven Johnson has to say in 'where good ideas come from'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NugRZGDbPFU&feature=related
The way RED has developed is like the perfect example of what he tells us in those 4 minutes if I see it correct. I feel you have an extraordinairy gift for piecing stuff together to get it done beyond regular dreams.

My filmschool teacher ones said to me: "some of the most brilliant minds in our society excel at listening too who-ever (doesn't mather who it is). They do not let those people de-rail themselves from there track, but they also notice when there is something worthy what some have to say. That is a great value for managers". That is exactly how I feel about your open attitude for example here on REDuser.
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Tru enough K, true enough.
 
Zach Gray said:
I think Joofa is the secret sensor designer. The back and forth with Jim is just a ruse to throw us all of track.
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Zach, just luv it ;) .

Dj Joofa said:
Funny my original message got deleted and censored. What did I say so wrong? Hope they don't ban me again.

Joofa
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That's hilariousness DJ, I hope you are using your real name to say that ;) .

Dj Joofa said:
So why don't those sensor guys post here? The Red employees that post here don't seem to be sensor designers, unless I'm mistaken.
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I have been involved in groups around leading edge processor design and programming. From my experience, most of the top level designers/thinkers/professionals tend not to post to user/lesser professional forums. It is simply not worth getting harassed by half baked smaller fish with limited skills in design or thinking, every time you mention something they simply didn't know, wrongly thought otherwise, or did not understand (but which they often have to insist that they were right in). A half baked bigger fish might be able to fuddle his way through it, but not really a smaller one. So this sort of person is probably going to be reading or anonymous. We are very lucky to have (I am sick today and cannot remember his name) the guy behind colorspace and redray and anybody else I am not familiar with. The cutting edge is these people, if it wasn't for these people in society, we might be lucky to have more than a camera obscura.

If you know the history of red from the beginning, you will have an idea also where the sensor people originally came from, and likely which company, if they have not already moved to Red exclusively.

I am not well enough to go through all the pages, if you are no longer here DJ, I'm sorry.
 
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