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RED - examples of natural, "filmic" color?

Brad Hawkins said:
There's also this test from CML with a bunch of cameras... doesn't seem like the greatest test in the world but interesting nonetheless.

http://www.cinematography.net/goth-skin.html
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That test is on RED MX not EPIC, it needs an update. and that test clearly shows RedColor 2 which has a lower saturation. You need to pump in saturation after you select RC2 in order for you to see how well it resolves skintone color. That's what always recommended by RED, which clearly not shown in the test (and they dont say either what color space they used). Out of the box as everyone knows RED doesnt have "pretty" LUT on it. But it can be anything you want it to be, that's why is RAW. It doesnt show the strength of RED but rather shows "which one is prettier out the box" and say "hey look this is the result recommended by the manufacturer".

Indeed it is not the greatest test in the world

EDIT : But yes, everyone is hungry for "pretty" LUT out of the box from RED

Rivai
 
Nikola Stefanovic said:
You can use Arri luts with RED files. And with Phantom files...
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That is true. A combination of Redcolor or Redcolor2, RedlogFilm, and a LogC to Video LUT using Arri's online LUT builder (with no color matrix) will get you a very, very representative starting point.
 
jake blackstone said:
Yes, it was done a while ago and, as always, it was beautifully photographed. Unfortunately he decided to grade it with Magic Bullet Looks. Looks.
It creates a LOOK, which has nothing to do with with subject of this discussion of natural "filmic" images.
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to be fair, all grading is a look...the grade on MBL is very subtle. I used it in this piece to bring out the natural colours from the RAW image.
 
Philip Bloom said:
to be fair, all grading is a look...
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Yes, but some people appreciate the precise creative control over it and consider it a craft and not a plugin. Depends on the priorities.
Some DP's may see it as a tool with just a few fine tuning options, while colorist may see it as a canvas with 1 Billion, 68 Billion or 280 Trillion nuances to paint with.
 
Philip Bloom said:
to be fair, all grading is a look...the grade on MBL is very subtle. I used it in this piece to bring out the natural colours from the RAW image.
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Phillip.
I'm not questioning your creative choices, just your methods and the tools you use. Please consider using Resolve Lite. It's free and it's infinitely more creative. And while we're on the subject, there wasn't anything "natural" about the colors in the "boat" piece and MBL is anything, but subtle.
And finally, while using MBL, you're completely ignoring the whole notion of using the power of grading RAW EPIC images. While it is perfectly understandable and acceptable with F3 or DSLR-type images, with EPIC it's quite different. Hence, my Resolve Lite suggestion...
 
Florian Stadler said:
Here is an example of some 80's inspired saturated skin of various shades. This is not so much a comparison and an Alexa/Epic thing, this was shot as an A/B cam setup on a shoot I did recently. It was graded on set by my DIT Stephen Latty on a Resolve to MATCH. Can you guess which is which? Why? What are the visual cues?

Alexa was shot 60fps Prores422 and Epic 120fps 4KHD.

Download them and watch them in a proper viewer (like Photoshop) as they appear a bit desaturated in Firefox and Safari...

askin.jpg

bskin.jpg
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Hi Florian,

You mean that no Hot Mirror was used on these shots ?

Only NDs ???

Antoine
 
Florian, have you ever face reflection/ghosting image from single filter pancro ? It's obvious that it's not design for stack..but i've seen mine to cause such reflection even no spill light on mattebox, perfectly secure.

Rivai
 
Florian,

Do you have the exact model from Pancro ?

Thanks!

Antoine
 
Yes, I have faced ghosting before with strong straight ND's as well as the Pancros. It ususally occurs with longer lenses that have a flat front element and an extremely contrasty scene with a bright sky or such. Basically the scene reflects off the front element, back into the back of the filter and "ghosts" your scene. In this case you angle your filter accordingly to eliminate the ghost. The model used in the shots was a Pancro IRND 1.5.
 
Yeah...i notice i had to rotate the mattebox about 25-30 degree or so to eliminate that reflection. I have strong ghosting reflection on Cooke S4. But im surprised that you have it with straight ND (without mirror i assume) too. The tilt able mattebox is quite expensive, i had a long talk with Stan from Filter Gallery regarding this issue (ghosting). But Pancro is really the best ND around, not many DP around here acknowledge it unfortunately and dont like the characteristic of being mirror ND :( Anyway.....

Rivai
 
Florian Stadler said:
Yes, I have faced ghosting before with strong straight ND's as well as the Pancros. It ususally occurs with longer lenses that have a flat front element and an extremely contrasty scene with a bright sky or such. Basically the scene reflects off the front element, back into the back of the filter and "ghosts" your scene. In this case you angle your filter accordingly to eliminate the ghost. The model used in the shots was a Pancro IRND 1.5.
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Thanks Florian,

I use the Tiffen HotMirrorsIRND (all in one glass) and never encountered the ghosting problem, maybe i was just lucky :)

I was asking about Pancros because with the Tiffen, there is a strong green tint.
It can be totally corrected by white balancing with a grey card each time i change the HMIRND filter grade...a little annoying, but works perfectly though.

Antoine
 
Hy, I tried a simple look in RCP to get natural skin tones in a very "normal" situation - daylight, no lights. There are plenty of different skins.
Made on a R1-MX, old Zeiss 1.3.

http://vimeo.com/30790456
 
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